Attention all scuba spearfishermen. We are currently developing a plan to organize a Scuba World Record Organization. This will be done under the guidance of the FSDA. We welcome participation from anyone from the clubs that may have experience in this type of organization. We are developing the rules and qualifying guidelines so your input is certainly welcome. Please comment in this thread, email an admin, or relay your ideas to your club rep to be discussed with an FSDA rep.

Some areas open to suggestion now are organization name, back dating of records, cost of submission, type of award or certificate to be given upon certification of fish.

Howie, I've been reading up on this a little. I propose we draft the policy right here and get input from the forum membership.....kinda like wikipedia.

I propose an application fee of $30. $15 goes to support this site, and $15 goes into a fund to be used to protect spearfising in the general region that the applicant comes from. The funds could be distributed by applications that are approved by a forum-wide vote.

Howie, I've been reading up on this a little. I propose we draft the policy right here and get input from the membership.....kinda like wikipedia.

Don't be doing a Grogan on us here:eek:;)

I think it is a great idea for the FSDA to be the sancioning body for the Scuba records, I am more than willing to help set it up or help with rules.

Let me know if I can help.

Don't be doing a Grogan on us here:eek:;)



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I tried to find Rich Taylor's post about it on 'The Other Board' but couldn't. Seems like he had thought it out pretty well in that thread. It may not have been perfect but is was a very good start if someone else can find it... Kite?

I hope to get RT heavily involved. He is one of the smartest, best spoken and fairest people I know. No one has to ask to be involved, you already are. This is not going to be formed in a password protected backroom. Post your ideas here and let the FSDA committee draft the rules for review. I feel that $40-$50 is a more appropriate fee, and deduct the FSDA membership if they are a member. I want every dime to go to the FSDA for diver's rights and the diver's fund. Nothing needs to go to this site. All of the hard work is going to be on the FSDA, I trust them to invest the fees to benefit everyone. Just one guy's opinion.

I tried to find Rich Taylor's post about it on 'The Other Board' but couldn't. Seems like he had thought it out pretty well in that thread. It may not have been perfect but is was a very good start if someone else can find it... Kite?

I can't find it doing a search of Rich's posts and searching by the key word "record". I think that he may have posted it in the private FRA section. However, I also lost my FRA section privileges in the purge. Is there anyone who currently still has access to the FRA section who could do the search?

I sent Tony a PM asking to have my access restored. We'll see what happens.

I do.. but still can't find it??? Any idea on the title?

Rich Taylor deleted it, so only a Moderator can see it, biggsy or Rob may be able to help.

Rob is out to dinner with a hot chick with big fake titties, so I doubt he will be around tonight.

It would be nice if we had a private section so Rob could post pictures of his hotties.

Chris just informed me that the Hell Diver's have been keeping excellent records for years so I did not intend to exclude a club outside of the FSDA. We hope to get submissions and have input from everyone. Any Hell Diver's want to be involved.

I hope to get RT heavily involved. He is one of the smartest, best spoken and fairest people I know. No one has to ask to be involved, you already are. This is not going to be formed in a password protected backroom. Post your ideas here and let the FSDA committee draft the rules for review. I feel that $40-$50 is a more appropriate fee, and deduct the FSDA membership if they are a member. I want every dime to go to the FSDA for diver's rights and the diver's fund. Nothing needs to go to this site. All of the hard work is going to be on the FSDA, I trust them to invest the fees to benefit everyone. Just one guy's opinion.

Howie, the FSDA is a Florida organization. My feeling is that, to the best extent possible, any World Record funds collected should be used to protect spearfishing in the general region they came from, regardless of who sanctions the records.

Just food for thought.

Sounds fair John. We are going to move this thread to it's own category that will eventually evolve into the World Record thread. I am very excited about finally moving forward with this. Thoughts on state records, US records, overall world, back dating submissions that meet the guidelines??

I got my FRA access back, but no luck on the search. Bret was right. Maybe Rich kept a draft of his post on his computer.

Sounds fair John. We are going to move this thread to it's own category that will eventually evolve into the World Record thread. I am very excited about finally moving forward with this. Thoughts on state records, US records, overall world, back dating submissions that meet the guidelines??

Pattern them after the IUSA requirements, in our own words. Simplify them, and get them up. Take applications immediately.

Don't be doing a Grogan on us here:eek:;)

Let me know if I can help.

Brett, can you make a thread with links to all other known spearfishing records?

I'm sending in my info for the 3.5 lb triggerfish I shot this past Saturday :D

I'd like to help in any way I can to put this together, it's something I've thought about a long time.

I'm sending in my info for the 3.5 lb triggerfish I shot this past Saturday :D

I'd like to help in any way I can to put this together, it's something I've thought about a long time.

Shoulda got back on time. Now you have no witnesses. :D

John, a good person to talk to would be Louis Rossignol because he could at least point you to the right person. The Louisiana Council of Underwater Dive Clubs has been keeping our state records for years... they might have some suggestions.

Thanks, Chris, we'll do that. Maybe Lou would be on the committee? I hope so.

I've seen the LA records before, impressive!

They are probably sitting on a few world records.

http://iusarecords.com/rules.htm

John, do we have a volunteer/volunteers to amend the rules and have we spoken with IUSA about our moving forward with this? We need a committee put together this week to get the ball rolling. I would like to have it up and actively accepting applications by the SPO. RT-do you want to head this up?

Thanks for the compliment Howie. Yes, I did delete the thread concerning the World records from The FRA section of Spearboard.

A little history about this...
About a year ago I brought up the idea of making the Florida Skin Divers Association (www.divefsda.com) the sanctioning body for the Scuba spearfishing World records since there is nobody keeping real track of such a thing.
The FSDA is a Florida organization but the organization is a member in good standing of the National Underwater Society of America (USOA).
The FSDA hosts the Florida State championships of scuba and Freediving. The FSDA also is the sanctioning body for the West Coast Council spearfishing tournament series.
The FSDA is a sponsor for the Nationally recognized Ocean Pals program.
The FSDA is also one of the largest supporters of the Fishing Rights Alliance. The FRA fights for the rights and interests of spearfisherman not only around Florida but around the Country in some cases.
The FRA is growing and can certainly grow to a national organization that helps spearos on a national as well as regional and State basis.IMHO
In short, the FSDA is a well known, nationally respected organization that should have more than enough credibilty to make such a project succeed.

Anyway...a little less than a year ago I suggested this idea at a FSDA meeting when I was Vice-president. I also presented the idea in the FRA section of spearboard to solicit opinions.
Tony Grogan promptly told everyone in the section that he had already come up with this idea and he was already moving forward with it.
Well... after around 7 months of nothing from Mr. Grogan I brought it up again in the FRA section to see how it was comming along. My questions concerning the status of the program went repeatedly unanswered by Mr Grogan so I grew frustrated and deleted the thread.
I had done a lot of research at the time concerning the rules, setup, conditions and fees but unfortunately Ive forgotten most of it over the last year. Sorry all.

I really dont think this would be that difficult to do based on my recollections of my former research.
I think the first step would be to have an officer of the FSDA contact the IUSA and USOA to discuss the proposal and make sure there is no opposition. I also think it may be a good idea to see if any of the board members of the IUSA would like to be board members of the newly formed scuba records organization.
getting people involved around the country would not only give credibility to the newly formed organization but also help with proper fish identification, rules etc...

I would be happy to come to any meetings and assist in this project any way I can but I have a new baby on the way and everyone tells me my life is going to change drastically. I'm a little hesitant to take on something I cant finish.

Thanks Rich, no one will ever accuse you of not carrying your weight for the spearfishing community.

I'd like to assist as well and I'm willing to meet to discuss putting these ideas together.

Bryan, please contact Mr. Schmidt to get involved. Louis R. should be involved in this project as well. I see that he is registered now. I don't know him personally, but I know that he would be a great asset to this project.

Guys, I'm a little behind, but I would like to help. I do believe Louisiana has the best records of any state in the Gulf South. My ol' friend Whip Mermilliod went to congress to get the rights for the divers to keep their own records approved. In most other states it is a Wildlife and Fisheries issue.

My only gig would be what the LCUDC calls leagally taken fish, the Louisiana Council of Underwater Spearfishing Clubs, and those rules could be extended to the Gulf Coast Council Rules or even more. Review this info and give me some input.

Sorry for the delay but here it is..........

I've always dreamed of a multi state competition, I don't agree with powerheading. The program should be done by the honor system. Every spearfisherman should bring their own fish to the boat un-assisited. OK, I know I spelled that wrong.

We need to negotiate the categories.


Remember, I'm only making suggestions, I would like to hear feedback. What I am telling you does work in La. let's try to make it work 4 all....

Lou, would you please be on the committee that aproves the submissions for WR?

So far we have Ritchie Zacker. I'd like to get at least 7 people from different regions of the US and world to review them.

Anybody else have a nominee? Rob or Les from SC? Anybody from Cali? Texas? Anyplace internationally where you can spearfish with scuba?

Me and Ritchie can work together. I'm on!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Have we heard from any of the IUSA guys to get them involved? Any CA guys interested?

I just got off the phone with Ritchie discussing what to do. I told him you have to start with some kind of old data, just to get started. As far as the rules we discussed that also.

Here is a copy of the Louisiana Rules for submission of a state record, they are pretty simple, if you want people to submit entries, you can't go overboard with the rules.


http://www.helldivers.org/Top%20Ten%20Instructions.htm (http://www.helldivers.org/Top%20Ten%20Instructions.htm)

Here is our state records also, in which we include the "Top Ten".

http://www.helldivers.org/Derby%20Boards/LCUDC%20Top%20Ten.PDF (http://www.helldivers.org/Derby%20Boards/LCUDC%20Top%20Ten.PDF)

I know from previous experience there was an organization called the North American Spearfishing Records. I think we need to find these organizations and use their records as a database.

We never put much into that organization because our state records always had bigger fish than the North American records.

This is great news Louis thanks for your help!!

We never put much into that organization because our state records always had bigger fish than the North American records.

Imagine that :D

Have we heard from any of the IUSA guys to get them involved? Any CA guys interested?

Most of the scuba spearing in CA is done up north in the murk looking for halibut. There is a guy on the other board who is a bigtime member of CenCal, which is the association hosting nationals this year. He does some scuba spearing for halibut and he's pretty big on all the cencal organizing and stuff. You might want to look him up for advice if you're looking for a Cali person to help out. His name is Dave Edlund on the other board.

Attention all scuba spearfishermen. We are currently developing a plan to organize a Scuba World Record Organization. This will be done under the guidance of the FSDA. We welcome participation from anyone from the clubs that may have experience in this type of organization. We are developing the rules and qualifying guidelines so your input is certainly welcome. Please comment in this thread, email an admin, or relay your ideas to your club rep to be discussed with an FSDA rep.

Some areas open to suggestion now are organization name, back dating of records, cost of submission, type of award or certificate to be given upon certification of fish.


Hey dude i think that is a awesome idea. I want to help. living and diving in the oldest spearfishing club in Louisiana Sea Tigers. I have had experience on the board. I believe any club world wide that have a set of rules that states that the diver must have a catch and weight witness from a organized spearfishing club of that state or providence should be considered a vote for World record status. Please go to my sight
extremefishingcharters.com and click on spearfishing records of my state. We want dearly that our fish be recognized on the world level as any serious diver should.

My number is 504-710-2950

Any progress yet guys? Im very curious to see some up to date world records...