http://WWW.youtube.Com/watch?v=-HD9nO0c328

http://WWW.youtube.Com/watch?v=zGyk4TbEiaI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmMl06rAL0o&NR=1

Sure hope he doesn't get assasinated before he wins the presidency. His momentum is growing rapidly. I believe people are fed up with this jackass 2 party system...I know I am. Ron Paul also exudes leadership. You can tell he believes in what he is saying.

WOW. I'm really suprised nobody has responded to your post. I figured this would have stirred up a little bit.

He did win the debate- and the Fox News Poll. But Fox didnt' like that, so they removed the poll from their site.

Ron is right that all these sheep are following Bush to the slaughterhouse. There's no 'winning' Iraq- we defeated Saddam in 2 weeks. That's when it was won. Now it is just an endless civil war.

Ron warned that Iraq is going to cost the Republicans the presidency- and probably all of congress. I hope more will listen to him.

So what happens if we leave Iraq now?? Any thoughts?? I think if we leave now it will go to shit in the next 5 to 10 years and we will be back to square one.

So what happens if we leave Iraq now?? Any thoughts?? I think if we leave now it will go to shit in the next 5 to 10 years and we will be back to square one.

I'd be willing to bet it does that with or without us there. Just my notion based on what little I know about neolithic culture:whistle:

Well how big of a waste of time, money, and lives if we dont finish what we started out to do, make it a stable place?

Well how big of a waste of time, money, and lives if we dont finish what we started out to do, make it a stable place?

At what expense? Should we sacrifice our own stability for theirs? Please review the thread titled "Dire warning on our economy" before answering.

Well how big of a waste of time, money, and lives if we dont finish what we started out to do, make it a stable place?


what if that doesn't happen for 20 years? we should bankrupt the country for them?

look at vietnam, we left they killed each other, and now they make crap to sell in walmart

they are big trade partner

I disagree with some of his points on Iraq, but will consider voting for him because of his views on everything else. And if we were following his policies for the last 4 administrations we would definitly not be in Iraq or dealing with the middle east in general. He has integrity.

Can someone give me a brief rundown of Ron Paul's platform? Someone at work(Republican) was telling me that Ron had some very controversial views on the Irag war. What's up?

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/

He talks like a libertarian but is a republican?

...Ron had some very controversial views on the Irag war. What's up?
I guess that depends on what you define as "controversial". He really got me to listen to his opposing viewpoint. I don't fully agree with all of it, but it certainly makes more sense than when the left-wing rants and yells about it.

I was hoping to get some opinions of his platform. In other words, I have been to the website and read the official statements, I was looking for some "between the lines" comments. I agree with most of his platform, the question remains as to whether he can be effective in completing any of those changes with a Democratic Congress.

I was hoping to get some opinions of his platform. In other words, I have been to the website and read the official statements, I was looking for some "between the lines" comments. I agree with most of his platform, the question remains as to whether he can be effective in completing any of those changes with a Democratic Congress.

Howie, here is a collage of Ron Paul's positions, both written and captured in his presidential debates.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFjM1ZzZSE8&mode=related&search=
The uncanny thing about this fellow is that unlike the other Republican and Democrat candidates, none of his debates sound canned. He obviously has some firm convictions and stands by them.

BTW Howie, that's a good name you have.;)

I am in the military, so with that said a republican will most of the time get things done better for me and my family. I will most likely be going to Iraq this May and I dont want to go there for a year (and that is hardly anytime there compared to most) and it be a waste when the next President pulls our troops out to early.
Another thing to discuss, who thinks that the media should not cover the war? I think that it is our biggest threat.

Why should we hide what is going on over their from the very people who are paying for it. In a free society you must have a free press. So long s the coverage is as honest and inbiased as possible then I am all for it. When the government begins to control what we hear and see then we, as a society, are in trouble. That said I am all for Ron Paul winning the GOP nomination. Hopefully the country can choose between him and Richardson on the Dems side.

on the same note though the press is telling you what they want to, you dont think CNN or Fox is bias? I bet if you actually talk to a person that has served in Iraq and has walked the streets they will give you a much different feeling about what your tax dollars are doing. I am not saying people shouldnt know what is going but what good is it when the enemy can turn on their TV and see what we are doing and talking about, what our goverments tactics are? Seems to me there are certain things that should not be shared and the press should only release what they KNOW for fact not what they think or feel.

There are too many variables at play for the media to consistently portray the truth. Therefore, it is unusable data.

I say let the hell hole implode.

He talks like a libertarian but is a republican?

Because he wouldn't stand a chance if he ran as a Libertarian. People are too wrapped up in the Rep/Dem title; judging the book by cover, if you will.

Why should we hide what is going on over their from the very people who are paying for it. In a free society you must have a free press. So long s the coverage is as honest and inbiased as possible then I am all for it....
There are several problems.
First, the press is not honest & un-biased. They're going to take the angle that sells the most newspapers or get the highest ratings.

Someone else may have the quote, but a paraphrased version is "Brave men must go out & do violence so that others don't have too."
The average person knows nothing about war other than what they see on tv. For that matter, most people have no clue as to what goes on in their own town or neighborhood when it comes to the criminal element. People are happy in their own little world and it is disturbing to them when they see bad things. This, in turn, provokes an emotional response and can bypass the logical side of the matter. The press plays on the emotions of people in order to get their ratings up.

Look at the old film reels from WW2. Every single one of them had a positive spin. They were all about how we were kicking a$$ in Europe & the Pacific. You never hear about how many U.S. soldiers were killed unless it was followed up on a positive note about how they gave their life in a heroic way and saved the battle.

This style of reporting brought the country together and gave every American a sense of pride & patriotism that is still with them today. Just go talk to any old timer from that era if you don't believe me.

Todays style of reporting is almost always negative. "27 US soldiers died today..", "Terrorist attacked a US base today killing 18 US soldiers...", etc, etc.... When you hear the same thing enough times, it becomes the truth. During WW2 the people heard positive things over & over so that became their truth. Today, people hear negative things over & over so that is now the truth.

Should the press have free reign in Iraq? NO.
In order to make an informed decision, you must have all of the available facts and that isn't possible without compromising the mission. There are many things in this world that the average person just doesn't need to know because unless they don't understand how things work. You may look at someone in another line of work & think that what they do is easy, but until you actually do it yourself, you won't realize just how difficult it is.

Have you ever wondered why that cop that just pulled you over for going 7 mph over the limit was so serious and treated you like a criminal?
It's because he knows that officers killed in the line of duty is at the highest point since 1977. He also knows that most officers killed are shot in the middle of the day during a traffic stop on someone that was speeding or had a brake light out.

Personally, I think the party system is so corrupt that it should be done away with. If someone wants to run for office, stand up, say what you believe in, and DO WHAT'S RIGHT!!! But if that happened, we would all have to find something else to argue about. :rolleyes:

Thank you. That is all. :D