Bill,

If Canada has such great health care, why is a Canadian Parliament member coming to the United States for health care?

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070914/belinda_Stronach_070914/20070914?hub=Health

Stronach went to U.S. for cancer treatment:
report Updated Fri. Sep. 14 2007 7:57 AM ET

Liberal MP Belinda Stronach, who is battling breast cancer, travelled to California last June for an operation that was recommended as part of her treatment, says a report.

Stronach's spokesman, Greg MacEachern, told the Toronto Star that the MP for Newmarket-Aurora had a "later-stage" operation in the U.S. after a Toronto doctor referred her.

"Belinda had one of her later-stage operations in California, after referral from her personal physicians in Toronto. Prior to this, Belinda had surgery and treatment in Toronto, and continues to receive follow-up treatment there," said MacEachern.

He said speed was not the reason why she went to California.

Instead, MacEachern said the decision was made because the U.S. hospital was the best place to have it done due to the type of surgery required.

Stronach was diagnosed last spring with ductal carcinoma in situ (DCIS). The cancer is one of the more treatable forms but Stronach still required a mastectomy -- which was done in Toronto -- and breast reconstruction.

Stronach, who announced last April she would be leaving politics before the next election, paid for the surgery in the U.S., reports the Star.

"As we said back in June when we confirmed the surgery, this is a personal and private matter between Belinda, her family and her physicians. I think you'll understand that because of respect for Belinda's privacy, we refrained from offering specific details around her medical treatment," said MacEachern.

While it is rare for MPs to seek treatment outside Canada, MacEachern said Stronach was not lacking confidence in the system.

"In fact, Belinda thinks very highly of the Canadian health-care system, and uses it when needed for herself and her children, as do all Canadians. As well, her family has clearly demonstrated that support," MacEachern told the Star.

MacEachern did not offer any other details regarding what type of surgery Stronach had or what she paid for it.

You're right bgbill, Canada's health care system is not so great. I remember when I was in highschool and wanted to skip a day to avoid an exam, I'd make an appointment the same day with my family doctor, go see her and say I was not feeling well. I'd be examined without a charge but if I wanted a note for school saying I was there to see her and was actually sick it would cost me $20.

Dan the man.

Well, I guess this proves it. Because one Canadian MP with one particular cancer was referred to a hospital in the US as the best one for that operation, that proves that the Canadian system sucks and our system is just fucking wonderful.

Now we can ignore all the statistics that show that we have poorer results in infant mortality, life expectancy, neonatal mortaility, etc. We can ignore all the horror stories from Americans dealing with our system. All we need to know is that this woman came to the US for an operation.

We can ignore the claims from big American businesses that their health care costs are keeping them from being competitive with firms from countries with more economical heath care systems.

Thanks for clearing that up Bret.

Bret,

Answering you in a different way, I don't think there is much doubt that the very finest care is available in the US. The problem is that so many of us don't have access to it.

Millions of Americans have full time jobs that don't offer group health insurance. Those people can't afford the operation that this woman had. Mllions more have insurance that is insufficient to give them access to that cutting edge care. Its nice that its available to the rich, but that doesn't do much for those who have no access.

I often refer to a Mike Wallace interview with the head of the Norwegian national health care system. Mike asked him if the very best care available in Norway was as good as the very best care in the US. He answered that no, for the very cutting edge procedures, it was better in the US. But he also said that the best care in Norway was available to every Norwegian, without regard to income, and they thought it was a good trade-off. I do too.

Well, I guess this proves it. Because one Canadian MP with one particular cancer was referred to a hospital in the US as the best one for that operation, that proves that the Canadian system sucks and our system is just fucking wonderful.


Simmer down now, fruitcake. :D

I lived in Toronto Canada for 3 years.
I am the most injury prone person some of you know and you can probably attest to how often I'm in a cast or have an excuse for not being able to go fishing one day due to an injury.
I've experienced first hand how complicated and frustrating the Canadian healthcare system is.
If you have a cold or a cough you go to the emergency room. If you sprain an ankle you go to the ER. Everything revolves around the emergency room and they're always packed.

Want to see a doctor? Well pay $50.00 to see an illegal physician and you can no problem. I fell in the Black ice one day and I thought I'd broken my tailbone... ER.

I was sick with what I would assume was a bad throat infection, I went to get medical attention and I had to sit for 6 hours to see the doctor. Since I was an American Citizen I had to pay for my visit, mind you our ER here in the US would have charged me $750 there it was $220 there but I had to wait much longer and they were incredibly rude. In the US if I were uninsured I'd have gone to a clinic, sat in line for an hour or two and then paid $25 for the visit.
They hate their job as much as our postal workers do. They are paid the same regardless if you live or die under their care, it's a socialized system. A lot of their systems are socialized they also allow monopolies. Their banking system sucks, their car insurance industry is controlled by 3 players and they charge 400 a month for a VW Golf. I had coworkers ask me to buy a car for myself in the US, insure it in the US and then "lease" it to them so they could avoid the near 20% surcharge for imported cars and the insurance hike.

Every doctor there that can get their ass to the US does, Instantly !
I had multiple conversations with doctors, nurses and the like while I was in canada and they all expressed concern for the Canadian healthcare system. The doctors that stay aren't the great ones that are bolting for US borders to make 30-50% more immediately.

I wouldn't trade our medical system for theirs. I don't want to pay nearly 50% in taxes so that the bum down the street can get a hip replacement while I have to wait 6 hours to get a prescription to an antibiotic. They are a socialist government. I do not want to be a part of anything socialist period.

One of the PM candidates actually campaigned on the promise of more help for the homeless. The homeless in Canada actually die in the streets. They freeze to death. So these people that refuse help are forced into shelters for the winter. The punk kids that spray your car with piss and then demand a tip for washing your car windshield with piss, actually are fed and clothed for free and this behavior is encouraged !

Canada has a great idea, their people are content having a lot of their decisions made for them. I personally enjoy choosing which doctor to go to and which car insurance to choose. They get nudity on public television and the Naked News, we get to be the most financially prosperous nation.

Bill, how long would it take you to pack your stuff? Sounds like your kind of place.:p

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Well, for once, no snappy comebacks from the comeback kid himself! I know he saw it although he will never admit it:liar:

I lived in Toronto Canada for 3 years.I lived in Toronto Canada for 22 years.I've experienced first hand how complicated and frustrating the Canadian healthcare system is.I've experienced first hand how easy and simple the the Canadian health care system is.If you have a cold or a cough you go to the emergency room. If you sprain an ankle you go to the ER. Everything revolves around the emergency room and they're always packed.If I have a cold or a cough I stay home and relax, maybe drink a hot tea. If I sprain an ankle depending on how serious it may be I'll go to my family physician for pain killers then pack it with ice.Want to see a doctor? Well pay $50.00 to see an illegal physician and you can no problem.ER no! I go to see my family physician at no cost, see my first post.I fell in the Black ice one day and I thought I'd broken my tailbone... ER.Sorry 'bout that, that damn black ice..I was sick with what I would assume was a bad throat infection, I went to get medical attention and I had to sit for 6 hours to see the doctorReally?? I call the doctor's office and usually get an appointment the same day. If he's booked and I really want to go the same day then I go to my backup doctor, and if he can't take me then the 2nd backup doctor etc. etc. you get the idea. All at no charge.Since I was an American Citizen I had to pay for my visitWere you under the impression you shouldn't? Do you know what foreigners get charged here when they want health care? That's what you pay travel health insurance for.but I had to wait much longer and they were incredibly rude.Maybe they thought you were rude? I find customer service ridiculously bad here and the people generally rude. Businesses with the kind of employees they have here would simply not survive in Canada. You guys should walk into a home depot in Canada, you wouldn't believe you're in the same store.They hate their job as much as our postal workers do.They do? I have a few friends my age who are in the medical profession, they seem to have a very nice life.They are paid the same regardless if you live or die under their care, it's a socialized system.And a nurse here will get paid commission or get a tip if she runs and changes your bed pan one extra time :scratchhead: Canadian doctors get paid every time you see them, specialists get paid more every time you see them. Is that not how it works here? Their banking system sucksHow does it suck? Banking is Canada's largest industry.their car insurance industry is controlled by 3 players and they charge 400 a month for a VW Golf.I feel that somehow the affordability of owning a vehicle is related to the rate of traffic accidents. In Canada you can drive or walk the street in relative safety. If you're careful you can definitely stay out of mishaps. I can't say the same about south Florida, I can't even walk the sidewalk without being attentive to some drugged out POS running me over.Every doctor there that can get their ass to the US does, Instantly !I guess that's why you waited so long to see one.I wouldn't trade our medical system for theirs.And they wouldn't trade for yours.I don't want to pay nearly 50% in taxes so that the bum down the street can get a hip replacement while I have to wait 6 hours to get a prescription to an antibiotic.Try bringing your wife along next time, I'm sure they'll take you in faster.The homeless in Canada actually die in the streets. They freeze to death. So these people that refuse help are forced into shelters for the winter.BS, they get talked to and encouraged to go but no one is forced.The punk kids that spray your car with piss and then demand a tip for washing your car windshield with piss, actually are fed and clothed for free and this behavior is encouraged !BS, street window washing has been illegal for years.Canada has a great ideaIf it wasn't for the long cold winters Canada could arguably be the best country in the world to live in.

Well, for once, no snappy comebacks from the comeback kid himself! I know he saw it although he will never admit it:liar:

Believe it or not, I actually was away for the computer for quite a while and didn't see this wonderful material.

I see you are emulating your idol Pargo with that disgusting picture. I guess that is your idea of class, but its enough to make me steer clear of any thread in which either of you participate.

I really hope that management will do something about your juvenile crudity.

I see you are emulating your idol Pargo with that disgusting picture.Bill McIntyre, was it WWII that you fought in? That's the only thing that would explain your revulsion at the German infantryman because I can't see what else it could be :scratchhead:

I'm not surprised that you can't see any reason why a normal person would be disgusted, but you'll just have to take my word for it.

I really hope that you guys will think twice about dragging the board down into the gutter. If not, then you'll probably get what you want- driving me off this site. If I have to face you guys doing that in every thread, then I'm out of here.

I'm not sure, but I don't think Tony would tolerate that stuff. But at the very least, you are presently banned over there, so its a safe haven for now.

Its really amazing how much nicer a place Spearboard is now that you are missing. I didn't quite realize how disruptive you were untll you were no longer there ruining every thread in which you posted. Its like a breath of fresh air. I don't know how much longer your ban lasts, but I hope you will just stay over here concentrating on your tax-sheltered sales efforts. I just hope you finally move them to the dive shop forum rather than acting like it was just something extra that you had for sale.

I'm getting really tired of this drama.

Here we go

I'm not surprised that you can't see any reason why a normal person would be disgusted, but you'll just have to take my word for it.

I really hope that you guys will think twice about dragging the board down into the gutter. If not, then you'll probably get what you want- driving me off this site. If I have to face you guys doing that in every thread, then I'm out of here.

I'm not sure, but I don't think Tony would tolerate that stuff. But at the very least, you are presently banned over there, so its a safe haven for now.

Its really amazing how much nicer a place Spearboard is now that you are missing. I didn't quite realize how disruptive you were untll you were no longer there ruining every thread in which you posted. Its like a breath of fresh air. I don't know how much longer your ban lasts, but I hope you will just stay over here concentrating on your tax-sheltered sales efforts. I just hope you finally move them to the dive shop forum rather than acting like it was just something extra that you had for sale.

Bill,

spearbored has nothing to do with this site, and comparing the way tony runs sb to this site is strange as it was tony screwing up spearbored that helped build this place, I am sure sb is nice for you guys from California, but the majority of people who built sb are here now.

tony has also effectively ruined his chances for a successful sbo 2008, at least on the Gulf Coast of Florida, probably the only chance he has of having it next year is to have a smaller regional tournament on the East Coast.

If you don't like the guys posts, just ignore them, I usually don't read all of his posts, but he seems to be getting along and fitting in well with everyone over here.

The problem with Democrats and even some Republicans is they want to control people, much like you want to control what someone on this site says.

Just put pargo on your ignore list if you don't like his posts.

I'm not surprised that you can't see any reason why a normal person would be disgusted, but you'll just have to take my word for it.

I really hope that you guys will think twice about dragging the board down into the gutter. If not, then you'll probably get what you want- driving me off this site. If I have to face you guys doing that in every thread, then I'm out of here.

I'm not sure, but I don't think Tony would tolerate that stuff. But at the very least, you are presently banned over there, so its a safe haven for now.

Its really amazing how much nicer a place Spearboard is now that you are missing. I didn't quite realize how disruptive you were untll you were no longer there ruining every thread in which you posted. Its like a breath of fresh air. I don't know how much longer your ban lasts, but I hope you will just stay over here concentrating on your tax-sheltered sales efforts. I just hope you finally move them to the dive shop forum rather than acting like it was just something extra that you had for sale.

Boy howdy, there Billy Boy. Aren't you taking the high road today?

Why don't you copy and paste the post you made in the "Ban Stinkyfish" thread on the other board? Aren't you and Tony the new lovebirds? I don't believe the people who started this board would appreciate you point of view, although because they have REALLY taken the high road, they will probably let it slide. But for posterity, go ahead and paste it so I don't have to. You are a two faced slimeball piece of s#^t with your veiled little insults. You need to get laid bro. Go kick your dog or something.:moon::moon::moon:

BTW, Hogsniper sent me a PM asking me to change my avatar this morning after your little rant. I will because I was asked to, not because you would like to see it censored you smelly socialist infantile crybaby. he probably thinks you will draw the California folks away if you get mad but I bet they are tired of hearing your shit too.:moon::moon::moon:

Curious as to what the median age is here.

I lived in Toronto Canada for 22 years.I've experienced first hand how easy and simple the the Canadian health care system is.If I have a cold or a cough I stay home and relax, maybe drink a hot tea. If I sprain an ankle depending on how serious it may be I'll go to my family physician for pain killers then pack it with ice.ER no! I go to see my family physician at no cost, see my first post.Sorry 'bout that, that damn black ice..Really?? I call the doctor's office and usually get an appointment the same day. If he's booked and I really want to go the same day then I go to my backup doctor, and if he can't take me then the 2nd backup doctor etc. etc. you get the idea. All at no charge.Were you under the impression you shouldn't? Do you know what foreigners get charged here when they want health care? That's what you pay travel health insurance for.Maybe they thought you were rude? I find customer service ridiculously bad here and the people generally rude. Businesses with the kind of employees they have here would simply not survive in Canada. You guys should walk into a home depot in Canada, you wouldn't believe you're in the same store.They do? I have a few friends my age who are in the medical profession, they seem to have a very nice life.And a nurse here will get paid commission or get a tip if she runs and changes your bed pan one extra time :scratchhead: Canadian doctors get paid every time you see them, specialists get paid more every time you see them. Is that not how it works here? How does it suck? Banking is Canada's largest industry.I feel that somehow the affordability of owning a vehicle is related to the rate of traffic accidents. In Canada you can drive or walk the street in relative safety. If you're careful you can definitely stay out of mishaps. I can't say the same about south Florida, I can't even walk the sidewalk without being attentive to some drugged out POS running me over.I guess that's why you waited so long to see one.And they wouldn't trade for yours.Try bringing your wife along next time, I'm sure they'll take you in faster.BS, they get talked to and encouraged to go but no one is forced.BS, street window washing has been illegal for years.If it wasn't for the long cold winters Canada could arguably be the best country in the world to live in.

Speareasy, I was commenting from a foreign citizen's perspective. I was neither a citizen of Canada nor applying to be one. I found their people incredibly comfortable with their lives and the quality of life although miserably cold, was close to on par with the US. You shouldn't take my opinion and experience as "the way it is" I merely stated what I did not like about Canada. THe people is what makes it the country it is, not the medical system or the insurance rates. I was lost countless times trying to find Ikea or which Street car to take to get to young and bloor, Without failure a stranger would come up and offer to walk me to where i needed to go, Not just point me in the right direction, literally stop, turn around and walk the opposite way they needed to go so that I would certainly make my desired destination. Selfless people.
However the lack of concern for Communist regimes (They travel to Cuba like we travel to Cancun) and their complete acceptance of certain socialist systems was strange to me. We've been indoctrinated in this country to despise the Communists and "socialist systems are bad, very bad". Though I do not disagree that Communism is wrong, I didn't think that their method of government was inherently wrong, however I did have a choice and I chose to return to my capitalist country. I don't care how illegal the window washing is, it's still a problem just as Begging for money is illegal in this state yet you will find dozens of police cars overlook and drive right past them. Smoking marijuana is illegal in Toronto and yet people still lit up and smoked their weed in the streets at night.
Canada is a lovely place with lovely people, I disagree with their belief that the US is a tyrant and that we exploit their country. Although I agree perhaps some of the trade agreements are skewed to benefit our country without us they'd fail economically. In fact, we are their number one trade ally. We sell them their oil after we process it for them, we sell them their niagra falls water back to them as electricity and we process their lumber into paper and other products. Is that wrong? I don't think so, I don't want to begin an arument with anyone, these are opinions, which in this country are expressly protected as a sovereign right granted to me at birth as a US citizen.
BTW, on their version of David letterman they routinely play a game which targets and shows how uneducated the US citizen is. They'd ask random people to point out Canada on a map and they couldn't, they'd ask US citizens if they agreed with Torontonians Clubbing seals when there aren't seals in Toronto and other questions to make us look ignorant. While this is amusing, a majority of my coworkers and friends in Canada actually believed we are all that stupid.

Boy howdy, there Billy Boy. Aren't you taking the high road today?

Why don't you copy and paste the post you made in the "Ban Stinkyfish" thread on the other board? Aren't you and Tony the new lovebirds? I don't believe the people who started this board would appreciate you point of view, although because they have REALLY taken the high road, they will probably let it slide. But for posterity, go ahead and paste it so I don't have to. You are a two faced slimeball piece of s#^t with your veiled little insults. You need to get laid bro. Go kick your dog or something.:moon::moon::moon:



Wow! Your post makes just about anyone look like he is taking the high road.

But anyway, I'll be glad to cut and past that post from SB. I had been told that someone had complained, and I bet it was you. I'll walk you though it just in case your reading comprehension skills are sub-par.

In a post prior to mine, someone said:
Amen, brother. And to further derail this thread (), when what I call "The Great Schism" erupted a couple of months ago, that same knot of west coast Florida guys (not all west coast Florida guys, just this particular pack) protested and railed about censorship and the fact that Spearboard wasn't "The blue locker room" it had been in days past. Then they all joined another board so they could be obnoxious and "blue", but now you'd think they were a bunch of librarians. Everybody (o.k., almost everybody) likes and respects each other and makes nice. Pretty funny.

OK, he was saying that a lot of guys came over here because they objected to Tony's censorship preventing them from being nasty as in the "good old days" but it was ironic that they were not taking advantage of the chance to be nasty. Got that?

And then I replied:
Yeah, I get a kick out of that. Everyone screamed about censorship, but now they are self-censoring to a large degree in the new sand box.

Let me explain "self-censoring" since I gather that is what some people can't get. I got a PM from a moderator saying that I was alleging censorship by management, when that is exactly the opposite of what I said.

Self-censorship means that individual subscribers are playing nice and treating each other with respect, so that management has not had to censor. Get it?

I think that is a good thing, and it was meant as a compliment rather than a dig. Yes, it does seem ironic that when this board was born, so many were crying about how Tony censored them on the old board and now they would have the freedom to be themselves, but then have exercised restraint. But I applaud the self-censoring nevertheless. Its been nice to see things going so well.

Its just too bad that you and your buddy Pargo are the glaring exceptions. He comes into another thread when I expressed agreement with the post before mine and tries to tell the guy that I had some sinister hidden meaning. And both of you substitute vulgar photos of a guy shitting a fish for verbal expression. Your last post was the most juvenile thing I've seen in a long time.

To Bret- I'm not sure what Spearboard Open has to do with this thread, but Spearboard Open is not a concern of mine. I don't plan to attend in any case. I don't have any special affinity for Tony, but I suppose I would like to see the tournament succeed simply because I have read you guys speaking so highly of it in the past, and it would be a shame to see it fail. But its no skin off my balls either way.

My only reason for mentioning Tony was my guess that under his "family-friendly" policy, he wouldn't tolerate stuff like photos of a German soldier squatting and shitting a fish. But maybe I'm wrong. I guess we'll see when and if Pargo returns to Spearboard. Meanwhile, I don't miss his disruptions over there.

Curious as to what the median age is here.

Sadly, it's probably more than we would guess...

I didn't want to get involved in this thread guys, but this is the exact reason that so many people said not to host a politics section. Many of your political views don't mesh well. Let's not forget where we are and what our site is about. It is not about the German pic or Canadian healthcare. I politely asked Relapse to change his avatar to avoid further conflict and I appreciate his cooperation.

I did not ask to keep from offending Bill or the CA guys. It was simply to get the thread back on track. There have been more personal attacks in this thread than anywhere else on the forum since we started. It is a total waste of time and bandwidth. You guys need to direct email or phone each other to resolve personal issues. Many in this thread are great spearos, it's a shame that you guys can't ignore those that you don't agree with.

Sorry for the short and impatient tone, but I am busy trying to prepare a defense against having more of our fish(Amberjack and Triggerfish) taken from us by the Gulf Council at tonight's hearing. The commercial guys are pushing hard to have us take 1/2 fish per angler while they take part of our annual allocation. However, I am now spending my time keeping people from arguing about Canadian healthcare and pics of germans crapping fish on a website built for protecting the sport of spearfishing.

Self-censorship means that individual subscribers are playing nice and treating each other with respect, so that management has not had to censor. Get it?Calling it self censorship is about right, but maybe you don't understand the why of it. It is for the same reason you don't shit on the floor in your own home. SP feels like home, not like you're a guest in Grogan land. Tony Grogan is the freakin' devil, just him being the owner of SB should be enough for anyone who knows him to boycott that forum. But in case it isn't enough, SB is full of smack talking wanabee spearfishers and the reason it is so can only be Tony. If there are newbies here they are recognized as such, come in civilly and get treated accordingly. I have no interest in contributing to SB and building it, this means no posts from me. I will however use it to my benefit and this means I am registered under a different name and have full use of it to send pm to people I like and let them know about SP. There's fuckall The Grogan can do about that.

Bret, I applaud you for posting that Grogan definition, that was pretty much the beginning of the end for Tony's monopoly. I just don't understand how you can be on the same boat with him. SB is for Tony Grogan, Stringer Bell and the like.

Bill McIntyre, I'll avoid responding to your lame accusations one last time because of that post I made thinking that you meant the "amen brother" sarcastically, but no more after that. You obviously have some time on your hands to type up funky stuff but remember that I do too.

EDIT- One thing that occurred to me which I can't believe I didn't think of before. The mess you made of the sale of my Marea blades started with Dennis Hausler the owner of Matrix brand posting on that thread. I have never seen Dennis post on SB and certainly not SP previous to that thread. The reason I remember this is because I would have probably enjoyed his participation in the forum, by all accounts he's a good guy. But it looks like someone contacted him and alerted him to the situation, so he registered in SP just to post on that thread. I'll bet it was you Bill McIntyre, go ahead and deny it!! Crybaby just about sums it up.

I'll bet it was you Bill McIntyre, go ahead and deny it!!

OK, I'll deny it.

But as you said, you have time to type up funky stuff, so I don't expect you to believe that me or anyone else is more honest than you are. Guys like you tend to think everyone else is just like them.

Edit- I checked for you, and Dennis Haussler has 27 posts on Spearboard.

That's it you ancient grudge bearing pedant. Now you're calling me a liar?I don't expect you to believe that me or anyone else is more honest than you are. Guys like you tend to think everyone else is just like them.Veiled insults! Too chicken shit to come right out and say it cause then it will appear crude like what you accuse others of being. You're looking for sympathy? You're looking for someone to agree with you, see things your way? What's the matter, you don't get that at home? I'll bet not!

I didn't want to get involved in this thread guys, but this is the exact reason that so many people said not to host a politics section. Many of your political views don't mesh well. Let's not forget where we are and what our site is about. It is not about the German pic or Canadian healthcare. I politely asked Relapse to change his avatar to avoid further conflict and I appreciate his cooperation.

I did not ask to keep from offending Bill or the CA guys. It was simply to get the thread back on track. There have been more personal attacks in this thread than anywhere else on the forum since we started. It is a total waste of time and bandwidth. You guys need to direct email or phone each other to resolve personal issues. Many in this thread are great spearos, it's a shame that you guys can't ignore those that you don't agree with.

Sorry for the short and impatient tone, but I am busy trying to prepare a defense against having more of our fish(Amberjack and Triggerfish) taken from us by the Gulf Council at tonight's hearing. The commercial guys are pushing hard to have us take 1/2 fish per angler while they take part of our annual allocation. However, I am now spending my time keeping people from arguing about Canadian healthcare and pics of germans crapping fish on a website built for protecting the sport of spearfishing.


Thank you for what you're doing and I apologize for getting wrapped up in an unspearfishing related thread topic.

That's it you ancient grudge bearing pedant. Now you're calling me a liar?Veiled insults! Too chicken shit to come right out and say it cause then it will appear crude like what you accuse others of being. You're looking for sympathy? You're looking for someone to agree with you, see things your way? What's the matter, you don't get that at home? I'll bet not!

Hell, I didn't realize it was veiled. I'll try to make myself more clear.

You come across as a lying passive-aggressive troublemaker. I wouldn't trust you as far as I could throw you.

As far as getting agreement at home goes, my wife and I have been married for 45 years and make a pretty good team. Neither of us likes slimeballs.

But the mere fact that you would try to expand the argument to comment on my marriage shows that you have no boundaries.

Hogsniper mentioned that this thread showed the problems with political disgussions. I would submit that all the poliical discussions have gone pretty well as long as you and your alter-ego Relapse didn't enter into them with your vulgar photos and mooning insults.

But its no skin off my balls either way.


That's NASTY!!! At your age thats a lot of skin, too. :D


Bill, Dan, and the like. Just take a breather!! You are getting as worked up as I used to get (against Bill early on, or Bret, or whoever). Spearboard, i.e. Tony, pissed me off so bad, that when I came over here, I promised myself I would never again get that mad again at some dumb shit internet crap. When you are 30 miles offshore, and in blue water yanking on bugs or fish, ask yourself at that moment, does anything you were pissed off at over the internet forums really matter...

...the answer should be yes. The NMFS taking away our recreational rights should really disturb you even then. But other than that, hell man, its not worth it.

Hell, I didn't realize it was veiled. I'll try to make myself more clear.

You come across as a lying passive-aggressive troublemaker. I wouldn't trust you as far as I could throw you.

As far as getting agreement at home goes, my wife and I have been married for 45 years and make a pretty good team. Neither of us likes slimeballs.

But the mere fact that you would try to expand the argument to comment on my marriage shows that you have no boundaries.

Hogsniper mentioned that this thread showed the problems with political disgussions. I would submit that all the poliical discussions have gone pretty well as long as you and your alter-ego Relapse didn't enter into them with your vulgar photos and mooning insults.

It seems you are the only one we have a problem with, Bill.HHHmmmmmm, I wonder why that is? BECAUSE YOU LIKE TO STIR THE S^#T. Tell us about what you said on the other board about everyone here, Mr. Bill. Can't stand up to the same kind of scrutiny you want to make stand up to, can you?

Tell us about what you said on the other board about everyone here, Mr. Bill. Can't stand up to the same kind of scrutiny you want to make stand up to, can you?

Damn, do I have to read it out loud for you? See post #20 above. If you have questions, let me know.

I can only guess that this was the nasty thing you refer too. If there is something else, feel free to copy and paste it here.

Damn, do I have to read it out loud for you? See post #20 above. If you have questions, let me know.

OK, I missed that post somehow. f^c&tard. Just stop stirring the s&^t, including your little veiled insults and I won't have to chew your ass anymore.

And as far as your search for a "family friendly" forum, leave the curse words out of your posts if you do not want to see them from others. And no, I wasn't looking for a family friendly place. I am done with you and your twofaced crap.

Edit:Somebody lock it down!

Thanks for the intermission Inlet but if you think I'm worked up you're mistaken.You come across as a lying passive-aggressive troublemaker. I wouldn't trust you as far as I could throw you.Definition:
Passive-aggressive behavior refers to passive, sometimes obstructionist resistance to following authoritative instructions in interpersonal or occupational situations.

In this case you probably consider yourself as the authority that I'm resisting, riding on that foundation I think I'll diagnose you as being paranoid under the delusions of grandeur subclass. As far as throwing, you'd probably miss if you threw yourself on the floor. As far as lying, you can shove that up your wrinkly bung hole.As far as getting agreement at home goes, my wife and I have been married for 45 years and make a pretty good team. Neither of us likes slimeballs.Sounds like the only possible foundation for a relationship you're involved in.But the mere fact that you would try to expand the argument to comment on my marriage shows that you have no boundaries.Marriage?? Who said anything about marriage? I was talking about your cats.Hogsniper mentioned that this thread showed the problems with political disgussions. I would submit that all the poliical discussions have gone pretty well as long as you and your alter-ego Relapse didn't enter into themYou're the BS forums biggest contributor, I'll go as far as to say you single handedly keep it alive. Being the expert on it I think your opinion should be duly noted.. NOT!

I wouldn't trade our medical system for theirs. I don't want to pay nearly 50% in taxes so that the bum down the street can get a hip replacement while I have to wait 6 hours to get a prescription to an antibiotic.


Try bringing your wife along next time, I'm sure they'll take you in faster.

That is pretty funny:rofl:.