I noticed another member mentioned using a BC to get back up. How many of you use one of those? In theory it makes sense but at the same time you guys might look at it like cheating because freediving is more "pure" than scuba.

Plenty of guys go VERY deep without it. Personally I think it's an expensive gadget that's not needed.

:lol:

IT WAS A JOKE! sorry but I thought it was apparent.:slap: Thats okay, my lack of knowledge is tremendously noticeable here. I kinda got it after the reference to stick tech drawings! Besides, for the price you can get a full scuba BC give or take a C note or two.

Plenty of guys go VERY deep without it. Personally I think it's an expensive gadget that's not needed.

+1

there is that death machine being market by a certain member on spearboard, waiting for the first fatailty to make the news......

Can you be more specific?

Can you be more specific?

nope :D I am trying out the new "be polite and friendly" Amphibious for a while. been a week since I gave anyone the finger and almost as long since I made fun of a scuba spearo :D

on the wagon! :biggrinangelA:

pm it to me. If I think it's really that bad I'll stick it in my dangerous gear thread.

http://www.zeagle.com/index.php?src=gendocs&link=Ascent_Belt&category=Specialized%20%20BCs


does this mean I fell off the wagon? :whistle:

I think that anything that takes away from the divers concentration on the dive, such as gadgets, is potentially dangerous. This thing looks like it's marketed to deep divers, exactly where it could pose a problem. What do you think is the major problem with this flotation belt? I just woke up and can't think clearly yet.

http://www.zeagle.com/index.php?src=gendocs&link=Ascent_Belt&category=Specialized%20%20BCs


does this mean I fell off the wagon? :whistle:


Whats the problem guys? I mean all the legal disclaimers are in place and all:slap:


WARNING! This super streamlined BC Belt and Tank Pack are for advanced divers with advanced buoyancy skills and therefore should not be used by novice or intermediate divers.

The Ascent is not a Personal Floatation Device or Freediver's Safety Vest. It will not keep a divers airway dry on the surface. Obtain proper training before freediving with an Ascent BC Belt.

Obtain proper training prior to using the Ascent BC Belt.

Roland, you're not a freediver so you don't understand, that's just the bottom line. Please don't take it personally.

I could see this inflation thing being used as an emergency like what Bill was posting about but to market it for continuous use doesn't sound right. Like I said my brain is still not working in optimum speed to start envisioning possible scenarios where it could be a problem.

Roland was being sarcastic.

Roland was being sarcastic.

Its OK he said his brain was not awake.

And I do a good bit of freediving (only shallow stuff as you know us overweight scuba shooters cannot hold our breath very long):biggrinangelA::moon::whistle:

I thought you were sticking up for your local scuba gear manufacturer.. And it's not about the breath hold, it's all about the speedos. Try those Roland and I guarantee your freediving depth will increase dramatically. Works sort of the same way as wearing womens underwear increases your libido.

I thought you were sticking up for your local scuba gear manufacturer.. And it's not about the breath hold, it's all about the speedos. Try those Roland and I guarantee your freediving depth will increase dramatically. Works sort of the same way as wearing womens underwear increases your libido.



Not that one.

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Trust me you dont want me in a speedo:eek:

What about womens underwear? :D

You guys are scaring me!

I am not a Free Diver, but the free-diver belt looks like a gimic that will get someone killed.

I think Chad Buoy would be better off inventing a collision avoidance system, it could be tied into the RADAR and the Autopilot, that way we wouldn't loose valuable weather information.

Don't mean to be redundant but I just want to make sure. Are you referring to Chad Carney as Chad Buoy because he hit a buoy with his boat? If he's the inventor or a promoter of this gadget then I wouldn't want to listen to anything he's got to say about spearfishing or freediving.

Don't mean to be redundant but I just want to make sure. Are you referring to Chad Carney as Chad Buoy because he hit a buoy with his boat? If he's the inventor or a promoter of this gadget then I wouldn't want to listen to anything he's got to say about spearfishing or freediving.

Yes Chad is a promoter of it, and he might have had input on it's development as well.

He made a video demonstrating it, he thought it was great, but to me it looked like a waste.

Don't mean to be redundant but I just want to make sure. Are you referring to Chad Carney as Chad Buoy because he hit a buoy with his boat? If he's the inventor or a promoter of this gadget then I wouldn't want to listen to anything he's got to say about spearfishing or freediving.

http://usera.imagecave.com/cwiller/fcea3498.jpg

+1

there is that death machine being market by a certain member on spearboard, waiting for the first fatailty to make the news......

Buy one now, and get a free buoy bumper for your boat! What a deal!! :D

In relation to the buoybender's failed wet dream, what do you all think about this device?

http://www.oceanicss.com/vest_progress.htm
http://www.oceanicss.com/vest_advisory_team.htm

I don't know much about how safe a 'recovery' vest can be. I am no marketing or advertisement genius, but it probably wouldn't hurt to do some editing to their advisory team list...

In relation to the buoybender's failed wet dream, what do you all think about this device?

http://www.oceanicss.com/vest_progress.htm
http://www.oceanicss.com/vest_advisory_team.htm

I don't know much about how safe a 'recovery' vest can be. I am no marketing or advertisement genius, but it probably wouldn't hurt to do some editing to their advisory team list...

I am sure the grogan will have invaluable firsthand information on how well a recovery vest could be.

I think they need to equip the divers who dive off of Tony's boat with an automatic SAR beacon so when he looses his divers, the Coast Guard can go find them.

It might not be bad idea for him to call them ahead of time so they can have the helo's fueled up and ready to go.

Tony can't even get a spearfishing magazine out on time, do you really want to use a piece of equipment he was involved with?

Bret, I've come to enjoy the way you put things into perspective.

In relation to the buoybender's failed wet dream, what do you all think about this device?

http://www.oceanicss.com/vest_progress.htm
http://www.oceanicss.com/vest_advisory_team.htm

I don't know much about how safe a 'recovery' vest can be. I am no marketing or advertisement genius, but it probably wouldn't hurt to do some editing to their advisory team list...



I wouldn't even compare this product to the other one, Terry and those guys have been working real hard on the freediver recover vest, it means a lot to most of them for one personal reason or another. I think it will be a great and practical product for those who desire it, although nothing replaces a good buddy.


I don't know what kind of input Tony could have on a freediving vest, maybe he plans to set the bottom time for two hours so it reminds him to come up after looking at algae for 45 min in 300ft.

I wouldn't even compare this product to the other one, Terry and those guys have been working real hard on the freediver recover vest, it means a lot to most of them for one personal reason or another. I think it will be a great and practical product for those who desire it, although nothing replaces a good buddy..


Did you read the part where their tests show that drag was reduced by wearing the vest as opposed to not wearing the vest? They claim it streamlined the behind the head transition region. Interesting.

Tony firmly believes the freedive recovery vest is an outstanding safety concept that will become a "must-have" equipment standard for divers everywhere

I was on the fence on this one, but the above statement sold me. Really, how is this clown listed in the same document with knowledgable and respected divers like Sipperly, McGuire, Maas, Krack, Kaya, Daye and Bissell. I thought I had seen it all:slap:. Kinda reminds me of the old multiple choice aptitude questions where you had to pick the one that did not belong.

Either way, this product has the potential to save lives, but I agree that their advisory list would benefit from a specific edit.

Yes!

Grogan, master of the deep silent realms..

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/da4095/TGrogan2.jpg

Daye, goddess of the sea..

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/da4095/GoddessOfTheSea.jpg

Did you read the part where their tests show that drag was reduced by wearing the vest as opposed to not wearing the vest? They claim it streamlined the behind the head transition region. Interesting.

I noticed that, they must be smoking crack, how can adding anything like that to a diver make you more streamlined?

One question I have is since most blackouts occur after surfacing, how is this thing going to help?

Do you guys really think any serious free diver who is not making money off of this or the Zeagle contraption will buy and wear these things?

This is the kind of crap that guys buy thinking that they can buy toys to compensate for lack of skill and experience.

how can adding anything like that to a diver make you more streamlined?It's the same concept as bicycle and ski racing helmets :D

It's the same concept as bicycle and ski racing helmets :D

How is a "turtle back" going to make you 7% more streamlined?

You are adding bulk, mass and weight to the diver.

Exactly how did they determine a diver is more streamlined with this on your back?

Sounds like a glorified peice of sht to me.It would kill a rig freediver faster than a swb.What would happen if that turd deployed when you were under a coral head or peice of structure.I'll take my chances without it.

Drag is caused by turbulence which is created in empty spaces. The turtle back closes the gap between the head and the back when the head is tilted up to look at the bottom as you're descending. They said they measured the time it took them to reach the bottom with and without the pack and that with the pack it was faster or required less kick cycles. They found out by accident.

http://www.oceanicss.com/Graphics/DiveDemo-008A.swf

In this demo, they must have someone other than the grogan driving the boat, because it stays close to the diver and doesn't loose them.

Drag is caused by turbulence which is created in empty spaces. The turtle back closes the gap between the head and the back when the head is tilted up to look at the bottom as you're descending. They said they measured the time it took them to reach the bottom with and without the pack and that with the pack it was faster or required less kick cycles. They found out by accident.

That sounds like a real scientific test. :rolleyes:

They are claiming it is more streamlined, but a swimmer isn't moving through the water fast enough to worry about drag and turbulence from tilting your head back.

Do you free divers know of anyone that is not making money off of this thing that uses it?

I don't know anyone who does or would use it.:nono:

You guys are scaring me!

Does wearing a pink neoprene scuba skirts increase your libido too???....