but I agree with Bush on this one.

With all the pressing responsibilities facing the nation, "One thing Congress should not be doing is sorting out the historical record of the Ottoman Empire," he said.

What's next? Do we pass resolutions condemning the Spanish Inquistion, the Crusades, or the Roman conquest of the barbarians?

We can't condemn the crusades!!!

My kids Catholic school is "Most Holy Redeemer" and their mascot is the "Crusaders". What would they do if we condemned the crusades????????

I guess when it comes down to it, we're all a bunch of terrorists.. There were native people in about every habitable place on this Earth before the "Civilized" world started conquering, claiming land, and such... If we started condemning things like this then technically we'd be condemning ourselves because of the way the Natives were treated on their own land. A lot of folks seem to forget about the treatment of the Natives here on our own soil.... It was just as bad or worse than what the Germans were doing to the Jewish Culture.. America went on a campaign of genocide and nearly succeeded in ridding the Earth of the Native American. The Natives were given pox ridden blankets, signed Treaties for land that were never honored and were massacred about every chance they could do so.

So, back on subject, I agree with Bush as well.. Remember what happened to avoid it in the future, but trying to condemn something that happened way back is pretty much pointless.

I refuse to believe that Native Americans are the only ones who never took someone elses land, or treated someone poorly...

This is purely political. The sponsor of this bill is Adam Schiff, who's district includes Glendale, CA. The second largest community of Armenians in the US (Los Angeles #1).

Since when
during the war time relocating one ethnic group, mounts to genocide?
yes there was a close to a million lives lost, but other side lost as much too on the hands of armenian as well. If these is a genocide what about relocated indians in this country? or what about japanies american citizen being relocated to camps during WW2?
I was suprise with my self to see Mr. President taking a position which it is logical for change.!
yet I am very upset with Speaker Pelosi to pushing such a pity agenda would not do any good, but to satisfied her campaign donors

I refuse to believe that Native Americans are the only ones who never took someone elses land, or treated someone poorly...

Never once did I say that they never took anyones land, if you'll reread what I've said you'll notice how out of context your retort was... I was stating that America was taken from the Natives, how can you distort that? America was inhabited by the Natives first, as far as anyone can go back, and it was taken by force from them.. I made a comment about Germany and Jewish people too, does that mean that I'm saying they've never killed anyone or moved them off their land? No, so if you can show me where I've said this then I'll change my post accordingly, if not, you've misinterpreted.

Native American's didn't think the land was for anyone to own, they had certain places they hunted that they respected and other tribes would stay out of.. As tribes got bigger they required more land and like any other person in the world they expanded.. But the key to this is, they were fighting their own people, and not for the land itself but for the food that was on it. They basically all descended from one tribe and as they had disagreements they moved on to form other tribes but did they fight with each other? Of course, did they kill of an entire race of people to populate America? No.

The point was that no matter what race or group of people that are around, we all could be considered terrorists in our own right and it could be justified too. I specifically said it was pointless to try to make something right, or condemn something that happened hundreds of years ago.. You can remember what happened to prevent it from happening in the future but that's about all.

One could argue that the rounding up of the Japanese-Americans and sending them off to the desert destroyed the bulk of them financially.

Kaan does have a point about relocating Native Americans and marching them onto the reservations on the shittiest land we could find for them. The Trail of Tears from Appalachia to Oklahoma springs to mind. Is it comparable to the Bataan Death March? That is up to you to decide. Both instances were from an aggressor forcing the defeated to march into some sort of holding pen, whether it be a POW camp or a reservation. Both instances feature a good portion of the defeated dying along the way from various violent and non-violent factors.

Does anyone ever stop to think why did the US imprison the Japanese-Americans, on the grounds that they were preventing spying, but they didn't even attempt to do the same to German-Americans or Italian Americans?

I just got this one from other board
very interesting point of view
http://www.lewrockwell.com/manion/manion82.html

Since when
during the war time relocating one ethnic group, mounts to genocide?
yes there was a close to a million lives lost, but other side lost as much too on the hands of armenian as well. If these is a genocide what about relocated indians in this country? or what about japanies american citizen being relocated to camps during WW2?
I was suprise with my self to see Mr. President taking a position which it is logical for change.!
yet I am very upset with Speaker Pelosi to pushing such a pity agenda would not do any good, but to satisfied her campaign donors

There is a stark difference between interment camps for Japanese-Americans during WW2 and the systematic slaughter, organized and planned by the central government of Turkey, of an ethnic minority. While it is a little late for this, the events occurred during the early 20th century, I am fine with the Congress passing this legislation. If you were to look into the history of the region you will see that the Turks are treating there kurdish minority with equal disdain. Outlawing the use of their language, destroying any evidence of their distinct culture, and forcefully removing them from their ancestral land. Its about time someone called the Turks out for what they did and if it pisses them off all the better.
Still the Democrats are doing this for purely political reasons, if it was so important to them why didnt it get brought up when Clinton was president.

There is a stark difference between interment camps for Japanese-Americans during WW2 and the systematic slaughter, organized and planned by the central government of Turkey, of an ethnic minority. While it is a little late for this, the events occurred during the early 20th century, I am fine with the Congress passing this legislation. If you were to look into the history of the region you will see that the Turks are treating there kurdish minority with equal disdain. Outlawing the use of their language, destroying any evidence of their distinct culture, and forcefully removing them from their ancestral land. Its about time someone called the Turks out for what they did and if it pisses them off all the better.
Still the Democrats are doing this for purely political reasons, if it was so important to them why didnt it get brought up when Clinton was president.

First of all
I think we need to understand 1915 Ottoman empire was in control of those land; Not Turkey
yes killing did take a place but not one side only. People carried out killing of Armanians was a local kurds called hamidiyahs brigades and it was all made out from local Kurdish clicks. what the Ottoman did trying to stop ethnic group was doing mess killing its own citizens, there were about half a million Turks died in the hands of Armenian before Ottoman called for their removal from easten borders to todays syria. thats when close to million died.
this is not a easy thing to sort out specially by some politician has no idea what did happing and what not.!!
I am not trying to find way out but if we start to looking what happing in the past. We may end up disturbing lot of shit that we cant deal with it.
specially if it is done to; keeping your campaign donor to happy.

we all interpret history differently.

we all interpret history differently.

I would agree with that %100

I wasn't there, but it seems like there is substantial evidence that the Turks did systematically set out to wipe out the Armenians. Foreign diplomats stationed in Turkey wrote down what they were seeing.

And while this government is not responsible for what the Ottoman Empire did, it does piss me off that the Turks deny it ever happened. The Japanese also have a problem with accepting what they did in China and Korea. Supposedly, the history texts that their kids use in school have no mention of it.

At least the Germans bend over backwards to admit that the Jewish Holocaust happened and make efforts to make amends.

As you may know, we have a very large Armenian population in Southern California, and many of them still take it very personally. When I was working on my MBA, I had a business law professor who was of Armenian descent, and he told an interesting story of one of his clients.

Apparently this very elderly and wealthy Armenian gentlemen in LA invited all the Turkish government representatives and diplomats in the area over for a grand banquet. They had many courses of fine food and wine, and after desert the old Armenian stood up as for a toast. He pulled a pistol out of his tuxedo jacket and said "this one is for my father, this one is for my mother, this one is for my sister, etc" as he shot people.

He was charged with murder and my professor was hired to represent him. But he wouldn't let the attorney mount much of a defense. His rationale was that he was "charged with murder, murder is the killing of another human being, and everyone knows that Turks aren't human."

Bill; I do not know how to take my post from one board to other, but please go other board and check my responds to your latest post on this subject

Kaan,

I read it and replied.

BTW, all you have to do is copy your own post on one board and paste it into a post to the other.

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/20071018RZ1AP-Turkey.jpg

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/20071018RZ1AP-Turkey.jpg

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/20071018RZ1AP-Turkey.jpg

That is it in a nutshell. This is just another attempt by the democrats to undermine the US Military. Our problems in Iraq will multiply exponentially if Turkey were to abandon us an ally.

What other possible explanation could there be for these idiots to choose now as the time to bring this action for an event that happened nearly 100 yrs ago.

Like Rush says - the democrats OWN defeat.:pissed:

[QUOTE=Cherokee Spear;29535 If we started condemning things like this then technically we'd be condemning ourselves because of the way the Natives were treated on their own land.QUOTE]

So does this mean we're going to start putting in casinos and tobacco shops in the former Ottoman empire and provide 'em with inhalants and alcohol ?
I've said it before,Native American culture was dying.While the rest of the world had written languages and printing presses(Indians didn't until what? Sequoyah or Techumseh came along ?),ships,gun powder and so on;Indians were still living as they had for centuries.That is a stagnant culture destined for extinction.

But,WE(yes,we;I am a voting member of the Osage tribe) are not extinct.And now the biggest threat to NA is the NA's themselves.It's pathetic and embarassing.