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Gunny
10-24-2007, 09:42 AM
Good luck with your choices, Osama er Obama or Hillary


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Brownsuit
10-24-2007, 09:45 AM
Good luck with your choices, Osama er Obama or Hillary


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Hillary all the way...please Ms.Clinton rescue us from the Bush regieme!!!!:whip:

Gunny
10-24-2007, 09:49 AM
I hope that is sarcasm

Brownsuit
10-24-2007, 09:50 AM
I hope that is sarcasm

None at all.

Gunny
10-24-2007, 09:55 AM
What do you think she is going to do for us? Just wondering.

bgbill
10-24-2007, 09:57 AM
Hillary all the way...please Ms.Clinton rescue us from the Bush regieme!!!!:whip:

What makes Hillary qualified to be the President on the United States?

She is a Junior Senator from New York and is married to Bill Clinton, is that all it takes to be President?

Marcus
10-24-2007, 09:58 AM
awww shit...here we go. You guys really think you're going to change anyone's mind?


BTW...vote Ron Paul! :D

Brownsuit
10-24-2007, 09:59 AM
All I know is that things can`t get any worse, and she is married to one of the greatest presidents of all time.

Brownsuit
10-24-2007, 10:00 AM
What makes Hillary qualified to be the President on the United States?

She is a Junior Senator from New York and is married to Bill Clinton, is that all it takes to be President?

Bush did it w/ less. If he can do it anyone can, and I do mean anyone!

Gunny
10-24-2007, 10:01 AM
Brownsuit I was giving you the benefit of the doubt,....but I have to say it now.
I think you have issues.

bgbill
10-24-2007, 10:03 AM
Bush did it w/ less. And if he can do it anyone can.


He was the Governor of Texas for 2 terms, he was the 1st Republican Governor re elected in Texas.

There is quite a bit of difference running a state and being a Senator.

You still didn't answer the question, what qualifications does Hillary Clinton have that makes her the best choice for President?

Gunny
10-24-2007, 10:04 AM
none IMO

Cherokee Spear
10-24-2007, 10:06 AM
He was the Governor of Texas for 2 terms, he was the 1st Republican Governor re elected in Texas.

There is quite a bit of difference running a state and being a Senator.

You still didn't answer the question, what qualifications does Hillary Clinton have that makes her the best choice for President?

She puts up with Bill's ass?? That's about all I could come up with.. :D

I say vote Ron Paul, to hell with the flip-flopping commie, err, I mean Hillary.

Brownsuit
10-24-2007, 10:12 AM
He was the Governor of Texas for 2 terms, he was the 1st Republican Governor re elected in Texas.

There is quite a bit of difference running a state and being a Senator.

You still didn't answer the question, what qualifications does Hillary Clinton have that makes her the best choice for President?


She supports the middle class, affordable healthcare, ending Operation Iraqi Liberation, fighting global warming, and last of all she is not a republican!

Gunny
10-24-2007, 10:12 AM
http://www.spearfishingplanet.com/showthread.php?t=2725
:lol:
Now brownsuit can go masturbate

Brownsuit
10-24-2007, 10:14 AM
http://www.spearfishingplanet.com/showthread.php?t=2725
:lol:
Now brownsuit can go masturbate

I would vote for Him/Her, might be the best all time...:moon:

Grin
10-24-2007, 10:17 AM
I can't believe someone tryed to back up George Bush!:slap:
Not that I think Hillary is a good idea either! :eek:
Come to think of it, this thread is rediculous! Hillary vs George :eek:
OMG I'm getting out of here, you guys are all insane.

bgbill
10-24-2007, 10:17 AM
She supports the middle class, affordable healthcare, ending Operation Iraqi Liberation, fighting global warming, and last of all she is not a republican!


How does she support the Middle Class?

She said she does not plan on pulling out of Iraq.

Global warming is not anything that is caused by man, so how does she plan on fighting global warming?

Is not being a Republican enough to be President on the United States?

What are her qualifications and what exactly has she done for the United States?

bgbill
10-24-2007, 10:19 AM
I can't believe someone tryed to back up George Bush!:slap:
Not that I think Hillary is a good idea either! :eek:
Come to think of it, this thread is rediculous! Hillary vs George :eek:
OMG I'm getting out of here, you guys are all insane.

How is pointing out that he is more qualified to be President than Hillary sticking up for Bush? :confused:

Gunny
10-24-2007, 10:24 AM
This has nothing to do with Bush, News Flash!! He cant go for a 3rd term.
I'm glad I will be retired from the Marine Corps if she get voted in, I will be here at home to protect my family when the Wolf is knocking on the door (again),...lord knows she won't do anything to stop it,...Just like her infamous husband

Brownsuit
10-24-2007, 10:26 AM
How does she support the Middle Class?

America's middle class is under siege and ready for a change. People are working harder and longer for less and less.

Corporate profits are up. CEO pay is up. Wages are lagging. Household debt is soaring. At the same time, health care, energy, and education costs are rising. Last year, more people went bankrupt in our country than graduated from college.

For six long years, it's like America's middle class and working families have been invisible to our president. He's looked right through them.

If you're a worker who can't organize for fair wages and safe working conditions, you're invisible. If you're a grandmother who has watched this administration try to privatize Social Security and dump piles of debt on your grandchildren, you're invisible. If you're a mother who can't afford child care, a kid who can't afford college, a family that can't afford to get by on the minimum wage, you're invisible.

When Hillary is in the White House, no American will be invisible to the president of the United States.

As president, she will work from day one to strengthen and grow our middle class and restore the basic bargain: If you work hard and do your part, you can build a better life for yourself and your family.

Hillary believes Americans have the right to expect fiscal responsibility, discipline, and honesty from their leaders.

As president, Hillary will:

Make health care affordable and accessible to every American.
Reduce the cost of energy and make us energy independent.
Expand access to affordable, high-quality child care.
Make college more affordable.
Protect families from predatory lenders and help them avoid foreclosures.
Increase the minimum wage.
Create good jobs with good wages to expand the middle class.
Balance the federal budget so we don't pass today's massive debts to the next generation.
Reward savings, protect pensions, and provide greater retirement security.


As a senator, Hillary introduced a plan that ties increases in the minimum wage to Congressional pay raises, so that if Congress votes a raise for itself, the minimum wage goes up as well.

Hillary has consistently supported tax relief for middle-class families. She has supported permanently ending the marriage penalty, extending the lower-income tax rates, providing a deduction for college tuition, and providing a refundable child tax credit and adoption tax credit.

She has worked to make college affordable and accessible, fighting to increase the federal Pell Grant, which currently covers just a third of tuition at an average public college. Hillary has also proposed the Student Borrowers Bill of Rights, a comprehensive set of reforms that would eliminate unscrupulous lending practices.

In New York, Hillary championed tax incentives like wage credits for businesses and job creation in upstate New York and elsewhere. She also helped launch economic development initiatives to provide critical resources to small and micro businesses and helped launch a private sector venture called New Jobs for New York that makes venture capital available to New York's innovators.

She said she does not plan on pulling out of Iraq.


Hillary Clinton has announced her plan to end the war in Iraq and urged President Bush to act immediately.

"Our message to the president is clear. It is time to begin ending this war -- not next year, not next month -- but today.

"We have heard for years now that as the Iraqis stand up, our troops will stand down. Every year, we hear about how next year they may start coming home. Now we are hearing a new version of that yet again from the president as he has more troops in Iraq than ever and the Iraqi government is more fractured and ineffective than ever.

"Well, the right strategy before the surge and post-escalation is the same: start bringing home America's troops now."

If President Bush does not end the war, when Hillary Clinton is president, she will. Her three-step plan would bring our troops home, work to bring stability to the region, and replace military force with a new diplomatic initiative to engage countries around the world in securing Iraq's future. Hillary has been fighting every day in the Senate to force the president to change course. And today she described how she would bring the war to an end.

Starting Phased Redeployment within Hillary's First Days in Office: The most important part of Hillary's plan is the first: to end our military engagement in Iraq's civil war and immediately start bringing our troops home. As president, one of Hillary's first official actions would be to convene the Joint Chiefs of Staff, her Secretary of Defense, and her National Security Council. She would direct them to draw up a clear, viable plan to bring our troops home starting with the first 60 days of her Administration. She would also direct the Department of Defense and the Department of Veterans Affairs to prepare a comprehensive plan to provide the highest quality health care and benefits to every service member -- including every member of the National Guard and Reserves -- and their families.

Securing Stability in Iraq as we Bring our Troops Home. As president, Hillary would focus American aid efforts during our redeployment on stabilizing Iraq, not propping up the Iraqi government. She would direct aid to the entities -- whether governmental or non-governmental -- most likely to get it into the hands of the Iraqi people. She would also support the appointment of a high level U.N. representative -- similar to those appointed in Afghanistan, Bosnia, and Kosovo -- to help broker peace among the parties in Iraq.

A New Intensive Diplomatic Initiative in the Region. In her first days in office, Hillary would convene a regional stabilization group composed of key allies, other global powers, and all of the states bordering Iraq. The- mission of this group would be to develop and implement a strategy to create a stable Iraq. It would have three specific goals:



Non-interference. Working with the U.N. representative, the group would work to convince Iraq's neighbors to refrain from getting involved in the civil war.
Mediation. The group would attempt to mediate among the different sectarian groups in Iraq with the goal of attaining compromises on fundamental points of disputes.
Reconstruction funding. The members of the group would hold themselves and other countries to their past pledges to provide funding to Iraq and will encourage additional contributions to meet Iraq's extensive needs.
As our forces redeploy out of Iraq, Hillary would also organize a multi-billion dollar international effort -- funded by a wide range of donor states -- under the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees to address the needs of Iraqi refugees. And as we replace military force with diplomacy and global leadership, Hillary will not lose sight of our very real strategic interests in the region. She would devote the resources we need to fight terrorism and will order specialized units to engage in narrow and targeted operations against al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations in the region.


But don`t get me wrong I`m just qouteing her web site:D

But w/ me, yes not being republican is enough at this point...

Brownsuit
10-24-2007, 10:27 AM
This has nothing to do with Bush, News Flash!! He cant go for a 3rd term.
I'm glad I will be retired from the Marine Corps if she get voted in, I will be here at home to protect my family when the Wolf is knocking on the door (again),...lord knows she won't do anything to stop it,...Just like her infamous husband

I`m still active, & can`t wait...

bgbill
10-24-2007, 10:30 AM
Gunny,

People like brownsuit hate Bush so much they will support anyone, they won't look at anything in a rationale manner, they will always say anyone is better than Bush.

Do we really want to vote someone into office that is just better than Bush, or do we want to elect the best possible candidate, no matter what party they come from?

What exactly has Obama and Hillary done that makes them qualified to be President of the United States?

Gunny
10-24-2007, 10:33 AM
zip!

Gunny
10-24-2007, 10:37 AM
:BoomSmilie_anim:I`m still active, & can`t wait...

Have you been in long enough to have suffered through 8 years of bumbling Bill?
if not,...
You may get your chance,..........God I hope not!

bgbill
10-24-2007, 10:37 AM
Brownsuit,

Her website is saying what she will do, a Politician can and will promise anything to get elected.

During a recent debate she said she wouldn't commit to pulling out of Iraq if elected President, but she keeps flip flopping so much, no one knows what she will do.

The minimum wage increase does more to harm lower wage earners than it does to help, it does help the unions though, as their wages go up, when the minimum wage goes up.

She also wants to give every new baby born a $5,000 savings bond, and everyone a $1,000 401k plan, where is all of this money going to come from?

Hillary said she had plenty of ideas, but America can't afford them, I don't think the United States can afford her as President.

Gunny
10-24-2007, 10:41 AM
I don't think our National Security can afford her either

Brownsuit
10-24-2007, 10:47 AM
Hillary said she had plenty of ideas, but America can't afford them, I don't think the United States can afford her as President.


But I hope we get the chance...Yes I am aware what politicians promises is much different then what they deliver, I have served through almost 8yrs of the Bush...and I am tired of fighting for other peoples money!

:fish:

Cherokee Spear
10-24-2007, 10:47 AM
Gunny,

People like brownsuit hate Bush so much they will support anyone, they won't look at anything in a rationale manner, they will always say anyone is better than Bush.

Unfortunately that's about all it ever is, a case of picking the lesser of two evils. The only reason that Bush got elected in the first place is because everyone knew Gore was an idiot and were giving Bush the benefit of the doubt.... As soon as the Presidential Election can be won by someone who doesn't have to have MILLIONS of dollars for campaigning, we'll get a decent hard-working President in office that actually cares for the people.

I agree that Bush is an idiot and I agree that Hillary will only worsen the situation by trying to do EVERYTHING and accomplish nothing.. If anyone has even taken 2 seconds looking at her track record, they'd understand that she's for whatever will get her into office.. She doesn't give a flip about the people, she only wants to be the FIRST woman in office, and further her own popularity. She is treating the Election like a Popularity Contest and changing her stances to agree with the Majority instead of really putting her feelings out there.. She's a typical Lawyer.............................. Not saying anything bad against lawyers, that's just the nature of the beast.

bgbill
10-24-2007, 10:54 AM
But I hope we get the chance...Yes I am aware what politicians promises is much different then what they deliver, I have served through almost 8yrs of the Bush...and I am tired of fighting for other peoples money!

:fish:

Can you tell me what makes Hillary the best possible candidate for President?

Can you tell me what qualifies her to be president other than being married to Bill Clinton and a Democrat?

I know she isn't George W. Bush and that may be enough for some people to vote for her.

ny_er
10-24-2007, 10:56 AM
I don't really like Hillary or obama, but after all the screw ups, corruption and the huge mess created in Iraq, I don't see how anyone can want to vote republican

Hillary in addition to voting for iraq, wants to bail out the mortgage people, I don't want to bail anyone out.

bgbill
10-24-2007, 11:06 AM
I don't really like Hillary or obama, but after all the screw ups, corruption and the huge mess created in Iraq, I don't see how anyone can want to vote republican

Hillary in addition to voting for iraq, wants to bail out the mortgage people, I don't want to bail anyone out.


If you think Iraq is a mess, wait and see what happens if the DREAM Act Amnesty Bill gets passed, it will give amnesty to illegal aliens and it will also allow illegal aliens and their kids to get in state tuition prices, while out of state legal US Citizens will pay out of state tuition prices.

Are we so screwed up that we will reward illegal aliens while punishing legal US citizens?

ny_er
10-24-2007, 11:13 AM
yeah but you can't really look at the democrats as the reason there are so many illegals, repubs were running the show for how long 6 years, and they have done nothing

honestly tell me what bush has done to slow the flow of illegals?

big business want illegals for cheap labor, and they are big supporters of both parties, and both parties want the Spanish vote, the only republican on the ticket who want to close the border is RonPaul, isn't it?

Sasquatch
10-24-2007, 11:19 AM
The problem isn't with Bush- it is that Republicans aren't Republican enough. Bush has increased the size of government, exploded the deficit (which was under control by Clinton, sadly), spies on his own citizens, wants to bring in a massive influx of immigrants, etc. Bush is a democrat!

Vote Ron Paul, the only real Republican (and I believe the only one in either party who has read the constitution).

bgbill
10-24-2007, 11:21 AM
I never said it was the Democrats fault for the illegal aliens, Reagen gave them amnesty when he was President, yet nothing was done to stop them from coming over, Bush wants to give them amnesty now.

People do not realize how expensive this "Cheap labor" is, the United States would be a lot better off without the burden of illegal aliens, they cost us more than they save us.

The United States is getting ready to have major problems with Social Security due to the baby boomers that are starting to retire, add to that the illegal aliens, I don't know how the taxpayers of the United States are going to be able to afford it.

bgbill
10-24-2007, 11:23 AM
The problem isn't with Bush- it is that Republicans aren't Republican enough. Bush has increased the size of government, exploded the deficit (which was under control by Clinton, sadly), spies on his own citizens, wants to bring in a massive influx of immigrants, etc. Bush is a democrat!

Vote Ron Paul, the only real Republican (and I believe the only one in either party who has read the constitution).

Why is that a sad thing?

I am no fan of Bill clinton, but he did get the deficit under control, and Bush has spent more money than Clinton did.

I would like to vote for Ron paul, but what are his poll numbers 2-3%?

Sasquatch
10-24-2007, 11:50 AM
I would like to vote for Ron paul, but what are his poll numbers 2-3%?

So, you're a follow the flock kind of guy? Didn't think you were such, figured someone as opinionated as you would vote on principles rather than reading statistics.

Have you donated to anyone's campaign? Written to congress? Participated in local government?

Not picking on you, Bret, but this type of 'sit on the sidelines, wait to pick the lessor of two evils' is why we're in this mess. People just don't care, but they sure like to whine about it afterwards.

I'm proud that I'm a Republican who *didn't* vote for Bush. I'm also proud that I'll be voting for the best candidate in the primaries- and that is Ron Paul. If he doesn't get the nod, then I'll then chose the best candidate available, but I'm not writing anyone off before I even get to vote.

bgbill
10-24-2007, 12:02 PM
No I am not a follow the flock kind of guy, I like a lot of what Ron Paul says and stands for, I just don't think he is electable.

I am a Republican and I didn't vote for Bush, I voted against Al Gore and then against John Kerry, it would be nice to actually have a Presidential candidate that I could vote for, the last President I voted for was Reagen.

The Republicans have to nominate the best candidate that has the best chance to win, otherwise we will get stuck with someone like Hillary or Obama.

whatwarning
10-24-2007, 12:21 PM
I had to register just to see the photo. Thanks, Gunney. A compelling photo, to be sure. I've always been going with Rudy, anyway.

Gunny
10-24-2007, 12:35 PM
The point of my post was kinda overlooked I think.
Why is he covering his joint instead of his heart?
Hillary realy wasn't ever the issue
I cannot for the life of me figure out why someone would back her,....I saw a man in a jeep the other day with a hillary 08 sticker on the back of his vehicle I thought to myself,......damn that just wrong some one clowning him like that. Poor bastard doesn't know someone hooked him up at work,....then I passed him and he had one on the front windshield!! I realy felt sorry for him then,....clowning himself. I laughed at him as i went by at the red light, what a fag!

bgbill
10-24-2007, 12:38 PM
The point of my post was kinda overlooked I think
Why is he covering his joint instead of his heart?

Maybe he is looking towards Mecca.

Gunny
10-24-2007, 12:55 PM
Good point.
bg what is his religious orientation?

Aaron Proffitt
10-24-2007, 12:55 PM
He claims christianity,gunny.

bgbill
10-24-2007, 12:59 PM
Good point.
bg what is his religious orientation?


He claims to be a christian, he also says he is black, yet he is mixed, 1/2 white, 1/2 black.

Gunny
10-24-2007, 01:04 PM
Thanks.
Normaly I wouldn't let religion change my point of view, but the religion we are all wondering about is a no go in IMO

ny_er
10-24-2007, 01:29 PM
you guys religious bigotry is kind of embarrassing, we had a "Christian" in office for two terms and look at the death that followed

something like 100k+ iraqis and 3k+ americans

sremsen
10-24-2007, 01:35 PM
I support the man standing between Hilary and Barak Obama. By the way if he claims to be a Christian than who are you to doubt him. As for Barak being mixed race, well I would bet that when you look at his photo you don't see a white man.

Aaron Proffitt
10-24-2007, 01:38 PM
you guys religious bigotry is kind of embarrassing, we had a "Christian" in office for two terms and look at the death that followed



Don't forget the 3,600 that were killed by non-Christians initially.Or was that what you were referring to ? Sounds to me like another person with a guilt complex.

Aaron Proffitt
10-24-2007, 01:40 PM
[QUOTE=sremsen;31647] By the way if he claims to be a Christian than who are you to doubt him. QUOTE]


I didn't mean claim as in I doubted him.But, claimed as in "What religon do you claim ?".

sremsen
10-24-2007, 01:42 PM
Aaron, that one was directed towards Bret. By the way your avatar is damn funny.

Aaron Proffitt
10-24-2007, 01:44 PM
Aaron, that one was directed towards Bret. By the way your avatar is damn funny.

Got it....glad you enjoyed.

ny_er
10-24-2007, 01:57 PM
Don't forget the 3,600 that were killed by non-Christians initially.

yeah well GWB let that happen on his watch also

Or was that what you were referring to ? Sounds to me like another person with a guilt complex.

well can you tell me how helping to get 100k iraqis killed who had nothing to do with 911 , and where no threat to our country was somehow right or just,

Gunny
10-24-2007, 02:03 PM
19 christian hijackers didn't ram planes into any skyscrapers last time I checked, or cut peoples :cussing: heads off on tv,
ny-er I think you need to go have sex with yourself:chuck:

sremsen
10-24-2007, 02:06 PM
You are right about that one. But they were Saudi not Iraqi. I think we invaded the wrong nation. Saddam was a tyrant but he wasn't funding radical Islam around the globe like our friends the Saudis are, nor building mosques in the US and Europe so radical clerics can have a place to preach their hate. Saudi Arabia is a far bigger threat to world peace than Iraq was.

Aaron Proffitt
10-24-2007, 02:09 PM
yeah well GWB let that happen on his watch also



well can you tell me how helping to get 100k iraqis killed who had nothing to do with 911 , and where no threat to our country was somehow right or just,



Actually, in public safety terms,9/11 happened on Clinton's watch.I'll explain.
Officer A is on duty from the hours of 0001-0800 and spends all his time,night after night, doing everything but being a vigilant patrolman in his assigned sector.He's hanging out with the dispatcher with the giant ta-tas,sitting at the all night diner,and so on. Officer B comes on at 0800 to relieve Officer A.Officer B is a much more motivated officer than 'A'.Cosequently,Officer B is having to deal with alot more incidents due to Officer A not doing his job.It's transference.Same thing happened on 9/11,had Bill done his job;thousands of service mmembers wouldn't have to be doing their's.Not referring to Iraq,either.
However,speaking of Iraq,would like to see the numbers of how many Iraqis have been killed by their own couuntrymen and those in neighboring states.I'm sure it far out numbers those killed by bigoted,Christian American troops.

Gunny
10-24-2007, 02:09 PM
I don't care where they are from,
They have the same goal,...our demise,....

Aaron Proffitt
10-24-2007, 02:10 PM
Saudi Arabia is a far bigger threat to world peace than Iraq was.

Your damn right !!!

Marcus
10-24-2007, 02:10 PM
Gunny,

Does anyone that doesn't agree with your views need to go F themselves? :scratchhead:

Aaron Proffitt
10-24-2007, 02:13 PM
Gunny,

Does anyone that doesn't agree with your views need to go F themselves? :scratchhead:

You haven't met many Gunny's have you ,Marcus ? They all think like that.:awink: USN Chiefs are no exception,either.

Cherokee Spear
10-24-2007, 02:41 PM
I don't think this should be turned into a Religious discussion... Due to the fact that Christians, Muslims, whoever have done lots of killing over time in the name of their so-called gods... The majority of Muslims are not radical militants and are actually much more religious, spiritual, and follow religious dogma more than most christians. Hell, there are even groups of radical christians.. One that sticks out in particular is the group who are stomping on American flags and holding up signs saying, "Every time a soldier dies in Iraq God laughs." I'll go look for the exact group but there are freakin nut cases in every religion, unfortunately that's a by-product of religion, MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY.

Found it! http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/Westerboro_Baptist_Church.jpg If you don't think Christians are a bunch of whackos as well, go check this out.. I'm not knocking any christians out there, simply showing that there are a bunch of radicals on both sides....

Think of all the fights, battles, wars that have been fought by Christians that were totally off-base.. The Inquisition, Crusades, Salem Witch Trials, the list could go on and freakin on about the mishaps that have been done "In God's Name." Couldn't you take some of these acts and call them terrorist acts? I think so.

I think it's an insult to whatever Creator is out there to think that they would even involve themselves in the affairs of stupid squabbling humans. They hold the entire cosmos in balance and we sit around and act like he plays such a huge role in everyone's daily life. If there is one creator he's much too busy keeping the Universe in check to bother himself with the likes of us.

ny_er
10-24-2007, 03:37 PM
Actually, in public safety terms,9/11 happened on Clinton's watch.I'll explain.
Officer A is on duty from the hours of 0001-0800 and spends all his time,night after night, doing everything but being a vigilant patrolman in his assigned sector.He's hanging out with the dispatcher with the giant ta-tas,sitting at the all night diner,and so on. Officer B comes on at 0800 to relieve Officer A.Officer B is a much more motivated officer than 'A'.Cosequently,Officer B is having to deal with alot more incidents due to Officer A not doing his job.It's transference.Same thing happened on 9/11,had Bill done his job;thousands of service mmembers wouldn't have to be doing their's.

personal responsiblity ....

and how much time and money was spent investigating a BJ, that should have been focused on Al Queda


Not referring to Iraq,either.
However,speaking of Iraq,would like to see the numbers of how many Iraqis have been killed by their own couuntrymen and those in neighboring states.I'm sure it far out numbers those killed by bigoted,Christian American troops.

Probably a big percentage, but if we didn't topple saddam , he would be keeping those people in line, of course along with killing a bunch of innocents himself

secondly I said nothing about "bigoted,Christian American troops" I said wanting to exclude someone from being able to serve in office because of their religion is bigoted and well unAmerican, don't you agree?

ny_er
10-24-2007, 03:38 PM
19 christian hijackers didn't ram planes into any skyscrapers last time I checked, or cut peoples :cussing: heads off on tv,
ny-er I think you need to go have sex with yourself:chuck:

none of the hijackers were even from iraq

Bill McIntyre
10-24-2007, 03:41 PM
OK, you guys convinced me.

I'm going to vote for the GOP front runner, Julie Annie.

Gunny
10-24-2007, 04:06 PM
I never said they were from Iraq,..I was questioning religion.

Marcus, Not everyone! Just the ones with their heads in their asses.

ny_er
10-24-2007, 04:30 PM
gunny, can please tell me what the 3 major ethnic/religious groups in Iraq are?

Which group is tied to recent attacks outside of Iraq and is being bombed by the Turks?

Aaron Proffitt
10-24-2007, 04:43 PM
Suni,Shia and Kurds.I'll go ahead and take this one ,ny er.And it was a branch of the Kurds (PPK) who carried out attacks against Turkish troops.What's your point.They are listed as a terrorist org. even with our own government who has had pretty snuggly relations with the Kurds for awhile. Don't start comparing, though.It'd be akin to equating all of Ireland with being in the IRA.

ny_er
10-24-2007, 04:55 PM
What's your point.

I was curious if gunny knew


They are listed as a terrorist org. even with our own government who has had pretty snuggly relations with the Kurds for awhile. Don't start comparing, though.It'd be akin to equating all of Ireland with being in the IRA.

does the ppk fight against Muslims groups too or primarily turkey?

Aaron Proffitt
10-24-2007, 05:09 PM
I was curious if gunny knew



does the ppk fight against Muslims groups too or primarily turkey?

If memory serves, the PPK is a speratist organization and wants an independent Kurdish state,much like the IRA.Part of the areas concerned are Northern Iraq/Iran and part of Turkey.Which,of course brings them into conflict with some of the other cultures.You have to keep in mind the Kurds,or at least alot of them, are Muslim.Just not Arab.Alot of the Turks are also Muslim,the PPK in the past have also had armed conflicts with Iran.It's a pretty complicated part of the region.Think Bosnia/Her. post Iron Curtain.
BTW,pretty sure Gunny knew the answer to your question as he has spent a little bit of time in the area.

Gunny
10-24-2007, 05:16 PM
sorry I was away from the computer
thanks for bailing me out of that question Aaron, I might of had to google that one:rolleyes:
Boy this thread has bounced around

Gunny
10-24-2007, 05:20 PM
A lot of countries have groups like the Kurds, Mainland Japanese didn't care for the Okinawans that much when I lived there, as mentioned Ireland has had its Issues

Gunny
10-24-2007, 05:26 PM
Enjoyed the debate,..sorry if anyone got their feelings hurt, atleast we all like spearfishing....................Im gonna go do something productive since the rain has stopped
Everyone shoot fish and vote for who you want to,....thats why we are free.

ny_er
10-24-2007, 05:34 PM
good luck

Bill McIntyre
10-24-2007, 05:59 PM
As long as we are digressing, here is a bit more about the Kurds.

The mainstream religion is Sunni Muslim. But Kurds are not arabs, so they don't have a bond with the Sunni arabs that controlled Iraq under Saddam.

Kurdish nationalists want an independent greater Kurdistan encompassing territories of Iraq, Turkey, Syria and Iran, and feel it was stolen from them in 1920.

Kurdish nationalists argue that historical Kurdistan covers an area of 74,000 square miles encompassing a population of 27-28 million. Yet the largest single group, 12 million, are located not in Iraq, but in secular Turkey.

The Kurds are allegedly the largest single ethnic group without its own country.

And it isn't just Turkey that has a problem with attacks by Kurds.

Kurdish Militants Attack Iran too
Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - FreeMarketNews.com

DEADLY raids into Turkey by Kurdish militants holed up in northern Iraq are the focus of urgent diplomacy, with Turkey threatening to invade Iraq and the United States begging for restraint while expressing solidarity with Turkish anger. But out of the public eye, a chillingly similar battle has been under way on the Iraqi border with Iran. Kurdish guerrillas ambush and kill Iranian forces and retreat to their hideouts in Iraq. The Americans offer Iran little sympathy. Tehran even says Washington helps the Iranian attacks, a charge the US denies. Whatever the truth the conflict, like the Turkish one, has explosive potential. -Sydney Morning Herald

So we are in a delicate position. The only part of Iraq that has not caused us big trouble since the invasion is the part controlled by the Kurds, but now we seem to be harboring terrorists.

Kaan
10-24-2007, 10:51 PM
How does she support the Middle Class?

She said she does not plan on pulling out of Iraq.

Global warming is not anything that is caused by man, so how does she plan on fighting global warming?

Is not being a Republican enough to be President on the United States?

What are her qualifications and what exactly has she done for the United States?

this alone should be reason for all of you rebuplican out there to vote for her.
as I said it before she is no Liberal and you guys wont find any other democrats out there, more close to republican ideology. So be happy vote for Hillary.
as far as her qualification; she comes in a package deal with her husband; if I remember correct he left office with approvel rating around %70