This guy delivers a very impressive intellectual beatdown on 2 unsuspecting Mormon dudes.
You know it's bad when the Mormons actually try to end the conversation and leave. :D

http://www.break.com/index/christian-guy-totally-owns-mormons.html

The black guy needs to settle down and listen,he dominated the debate and never gave the young Mormon kids an opportunity to talk.The Mormon religion{I'm not a LDS]is a very morale family oriented religion no worse and better than a lot of other religions.Misunderstood but they consider themselves Christians also.I went to school with a lot of Mormons in California and they are morale, classy people.

The black guy needs to settle down and listen,he dominated the debate and never gave the young Mormon kids an opportunity to talk.The Mormon religion{I'm not a LDS]is a very morale family oriented religion no worse and better than a lot of other religions.Misunderstood but they consider themselves Christians also.I went to school with a lot of Mormons in California and they are morale, classy people.

He did listen, he just knew the Bible better than the Mormons did and proved what they really believe in.

The Mormons tried to talk over him, but he wouldn't allow it.

.I went to school with a lot of Mormons in California and they are morale, classy people.

I understand that and fully agree with you. I have met some great people who are Mormons, and like other friends with other religions (like Hindu and Buddhists), I think nothing ill about their religion, although I don't agree with. However, in this conversation, I think the African-American man knew a lot more about the bible, and perhaps even more about the mormon religion, than the evangelists.

I seen 2 ford loving salesmen and one chevy loving salesman trying to sell the other their favorite brand of car....I hate 'in your face' salesmen.

Those two kids look like deer in the headlights.

Oh, I'm sure that there are plenty of wonderful Mormons out there. Hey, Glenn Beck's a Mormon and I think he's awesome.
BUT - I've also been on the receiving end of 2 schmucks showing up at my door and basically refusing to leave me alone. SO - to see them on the receiving end entertains me greatly.

btw - thank you Spearchucker and Rich; they're the ones that called the # from the TV commercial and invited the Mormons to show up at my doorstep. Bastards. :D

He did listen, he just knew the Bible better than the Mormons did and proved what they really believe in.

These guys are out trying to find people that will listen... this guy clearly was not interested in listening so there work with him was finished for the time being.

As far as what we believe in: He definately did not know what we believe, he would not even take a moment to learn what we believe.

Mormons read and believe the bible to be the word of God. We use the king James version

We also beleive the book of mormon to be the word of God:

Here is the Introduction:
The Book of Mormon is a volume of holy scripture comparable to the Bible. It is a record of God’s dealings with the ancient inhabitants of the Americas and contains, as does the Bible, the fulness of the everlasting gospel.
The book was written by many ancient prophets by the spirit of prophecy and revelation. Their words, written on gold plates, were quoted and abridged by a prophet-historian named Mormon. The record gives an account of two great civilizations. One came from Jerusalem in 600 B.C., and afterward separated into two nations, known as the Nephites and the Lamanites. The other came much earlier when the Lord confounded the tongues at the Tower of Babel. This group is known as the Jaredites. After thousands of years, all were destroyed except the Lamanites, and they are the principal ancestors of the American Indians.
The crowning event recorded in the Book of Mormon is the personal ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ among the Nephites soon after his resurrection. It puts forth the doctrines of the gospel, outlines the plan of salvation, and tells men what they must do to gain peace in this life and eternal salvation in the life to come.
After Mormon completed his writings, he delivered the account to his son Moroni, who added a few words of his own and hid up the plates in the hill Cumorah. On September 21, 1823, the same Moroni, then a glorified, resurrected being, appeared to the Prophet Joseph Smith and instructed him relative to the ancient record and its destined translation into the English language.
In due course the plates were delivered to Joseph Smith, who translated them by the gift and power of God. The record is now published in many languages as a new and additional witness that Jesus Christ is the Son of the living God and that all who will come unto him and obey the laws and ordinances of his gospel may be saved.
Concerning this record the Prophet Joseph Smith said: “I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book.”
In addition to Joseph Smith, the Lord provided for eleven others to see the gold plates for themselves and to be special witnesses of the truth and divinity of the Book of Mormon. Their written testimonies are included herewith as “The Testimony of Three Witnesses” and “The Testimony of Eight Witnesses.”
We invite all men everywhere to read the Book of Mormon, to ponder in their hearts the message it contains, and then to ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ if the book is true. Those who pursue this course and ask in faith will gain a testimony of its truth and divinity by the power of the Holy Ghost. (See Moroni 10: 3-5.)
Those who gain this divine witness from the Holy Spirit will also come to know by the same power that Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world, that Joseph Smith is his revelator and prophet in these last days, and that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the Lord’s kingdom once again established on the earth, preparatory to the second coming of the Messiah.




Online copy of the Book of Mormon: http://scriptures.lds.org/en/bm/contents

Online copy of the bible: http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents

Enjoy!:biggrinangelA:

Also for any of yall that wonder if Mormons are Christians......

The name of the Church(The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints) might be a dead give away.... but if you are still wondering....Read this:

http://lds.org/conference/talk/display/0,5232,23-1-775-15,00.html

It has always baffled me how otherwise educated and intelligent people could buy into all that stuff about golden plates, the American Indians being a tribe from Israel, etc. So much of the Mormon doctrine and story just seems to preposterous.

But then in all fairness, all the basic Christian story and doctrine about miracles, resurrection, etc. is equally preposterous.

Its just that it has the advantage of having allegedly happened over 2000 years ago, so we can't check facts and have had a long time to swallow it. The Mormon story has the disadvantage of being recent history, so a lot of it can be analyzed.

For instance, Joseph Smith changed and refined his story every year after the alleged meeting. Why have the golden plates never been found? There is written evidece of disputes between Smith and other leaders over doctrine. There is pretty good evidence that Smith was an alcoholic. Alcoholics have some pretty colorful delusions.

And as noted in the PBS special on the Mormons, upstate New York at the time of Smith's revelations was known as "burnt ground" because there were so many religious zealots running around with wild new religions and theories. One of them just turned out to have legs.

While I don't appreciate people knocking on my door trying to push their religion on me, I actually feel some pity for these Mormon kids. It must be a tough job and its hard to believe that many of them would actually volunteer, but the culture demands it of them. As I have said to some of them, "why would a man of my age be seeking spiritual guidance from a couple of teenage boys?"

I recall reading a Newsweek article many years ago that dealt with the pressures on missionaries. Some American kids in London had heavy pressure from their local supervisors to get converts, so they reacted by offering derelicts a fish and chips dinner for a conversion. The system became known as "chip em and dip em." Some derelicts had been converted several times.

BUT - I've also been on the receiving end of 2 schmucks showing up at my door and basically refusing to leave me alone. D

I had a couple 'salesmen' show up at my door the other day. I was working in the other room on remodeling and looked out the window to see who it was. I then told my 8 yr old nephew to tell them we aren't buying anything. He did then came back saying that they weren't selling anything. I told him to tell them "We know what you're selling...we aren't buying". :D
I looked out the window to observe. They stood around a couple moments looking dumbfounded then finally left. :D

I had a couple 'salesmen' show up at my door the other day. I was working in the other room on remodeling and looked out the window to see who it was. I then told my 8 yr old nephew to tell them we aren't buying anything. He did then came back saying that they weren't selling anything. I told him to tell them "We know what you're selling...we aren't buying". :D
I looked out the window to observe. They stood around a couple moments looking dumbfounded then finally left. :D

You made your 8 year old nephew do the dirty work? That's awesome. :D

When I lived in an Apt up in Carrollwood, the neighbors upstairs in the Apt directly above me were an older Mormon couple. They always had their nametags on. I am guessing they were on some sort of mission and the Apt was rented by the church, because when they moved, all their belongings fit in the back of their pickup truck.

It was almost nightly that a couple guys in white shirts and black pants would stop by on their bikes to visit them.

They were the best neighbors. Always quiet and never tried to preach to me. We made small talk whenever we met and they were very nice.

I really have no problem with the Mormon faith. To each their own.

But that damn door to door shit just pisses me off. If I want to know more about the church, I'll call the number on the TV commercial.


Is their any truth to the fact that the Mormons basically own the Boy Scouts of America?? Penn and Teller's BULLSHIT show pretty much said that the Mormons own the BSA and that is why they do not allow gays become a boy scout or a troop leader.

Personally, I don't care if they're selling everlasting salvation or a subscription to Golf Weekly - when I say I'm not interested, thank me for my time and MOVE ON.

Is their any truth to the fact that the Mormons basically own the Boy Scouts of America?? Penn and Teller's BULLSHIT show pretty much said that the Mormons own the BSA and that is why they do not allow gays become a boy scout or a troop leader.

I don't know whether they own the BSA nationally, but I've heard that they sure do in Utah.

A few years ago my wife and I stayed in a B&B near Zion, and it was owned by a Catholic couple who had moved out from Massachusetts. They said it was difficult for a non-Mormon, and more so for their kids. The Boy Scout troops were all sponsored by Mormon churches, as were other youth activities, and their kids were singled out as different.

My neighbor is a Jehovah's Witness and he has not said one word to me about it. I keep waiting, but I think the fact that he drinks more beer than I do says something about his dedication to the faith.

Weird thing is, they don't celebrate anything at all. No birthdays, holidays, no nothing.

Weird thing is, they don't celebrate anything at all. No birthdays, holidays, no nothing.

My elderly next door neighbor for years had a daughter who became a Jehovah's Witness, and then she wouldn't come to his house for Thanksgiving, Christmas, etc.

So the next time some of them knocked on my door, I told them I preferred a more kind sort of Christianity that wouldn't deny an old man the company of his children.

They replied that she could come other days of the year, but just couldn't celebrate those holidays. And I replied that they didn't have to celebrate a damn thing except being with their father. He could celebrate whatever he wanted, and they could just eat dinner.

.....And I replied that they didn't have to celebrate a damn thing except being with their father. He could celebrate whatever he wanted, and they could just eat dinner.

That's the damn truth!

My neighbor is a Jehovah's Witness and he has not said one word to me about it. I keep waiting, but I think the fact that he drinks more beer than I do says something about his dedication to the faith.

Weird thing is, they don't celebrate anything at all. No birthdays, holidays, no nothing.

Jahovah's witnesses make great employees. They work holidays without complaint.

I guess that goes to show that product knowledge is the key to sales!
Why do those kids always look all pale and puny with the sniffles looking like they are suffering a slow agonizing death from asthma or something?

Jahovah's witnesses make great employees. They work holidays without complaint.

I don't know about that, I had a Jehovah Witness work for me before and he was one of the laziest bastards I have ever seen, he was a major hypocrite, he would accept gifts around the holidays from the tenants, and bitch about coming in on holidays, I asked him about it and he made up some bullshit story.

The guy didn't have a car, but he had some really nice ties, he was spending about $80 on them and this was back in the late 80's early 90's, I guess you have to have a nice tie to knock on someones door and bother them with, if you are going to get snatched up and choked by your tie, it might as well be a nice one.

It has always baffled me how otherwise educated and intelligent people could buy into all that stuff about golden plates, the American Indians being a tribe from Israel, etc. So much of the Mormon doctrine and story just seems to preposterous.

But then in all fairness, all the basic Christian story and doctrine about miracles, resurrection, etc. is equally preposterous.

Its just that it has the advantage of having allegedly happened over 2000 years ago, so we can't check facts and have had a long time to swallow it. The Mormon story has the disadvantage of being recent history, so a lot of it can be analyzed.

For instance, Joseph Smith changed and refined his story every year after the alleged meeting. Why have the golden plates never been found? There is written evidece of disputes between Smith and other leaders over doctrine. There is pretty good evidence that Smith was an alcoholic. Alcoholics have some pretty colorful delusions.

And as noted in the PBS special on the Mormons, upstate New York at the time of Smith's revelations was known as "burnt ground" because there were so many religious zealots running around with wild new religions and theories. One of them just turned out to have legs.

While I don't appreciate people knocking on my door trying to push their religion on me, I actually feel some pity for these Mormon kids. It must be a tough job and its hard to believe that many of them would actually volunteer, but the culture demands it of them. As I have said to some of them, "why would a man of my age be seeking spiritual guidance from a couple of teenage boys?"

I recall reading a Newsweek article many years ago that dealt with the pressures on missionaries. Some American kids in London had heavy pressure from their local supervisors to get converts, so they reacted by offering derelicts a fish and chips dinner for a conversion. The system became known as "chip em and dip em." Some derelicts had been converted several times.

I agree, convenient isn't it? Not to mention that none of the dates of the Jews, Christians, Jehovah's witness, or Mormons add up to the actual dates that people inhabited the earth.. If you followed the Bible you'd think that man was created around 4000 years ago which is just crazy... Hmm, am I going to believe some book or fossils and ACTUAL proof... I think I'll go with the proof.

I don't have a problem with anyone's faith, but any faith that goes around door to door I have a problem with... Leave me alone and stop leaving pamphlets on my door!