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Tony,
You are a fag. You are going about this all wrong as I have alluded to before. You did not get the hint. I bet your wife doesn't like you as much as I/me /other informed people do. what an ass you are MAKING OF YOURSELF. When will you get the point? You will not. You are catering to and sucking the ass of those who are your ENEMY.

I enjoy those who try a different way of making a point or trying to accomplish something in a different way. But you are way off course. Come back to those who have made your life what it is as SPEARFISHING is concerned. You are going to lose in the long run. Your mag will go down. You will go down. Spin it as you might, but you will lose. You have f*@ked up, admit it and cut your losses. You are a loser if you continue your present course of action. You do not know when to quit.

I have seen the situation handled with "kid's gloves" as long as I can stand it. Delete my account and I never want to hear from you again. Keep your mag eventhough I have paid. I do not care. Good luck hosting another tourny by yourself. It's over. Hope you enjoyed the short lived power. I love Sherry and Chad and T. Mas and what I have learned from them. But you have isolated yourself. You are nothing without the core.

Get fu$%ed!
I am available!

Roger Rowe
205.567.7867

Bump, damn it!:BoomSmilie_anim::BoomSmilie_anim::BoomSmilie_a nim:

That individual is the biggest embarrassment to this sport that could be imagined. He had better never call me a "friend" again.

These arguments on his site are great for traffic over there, he loves it. The problem is that most people don't know the truth, for example, hogfish:

Jerry Ault, a Pew Scientist http://www.pewoceanscience.org/press/media-article-archive.php?ID=37 authored a study recommending what amounted to closing down hogfish spearfishing. The document was full of falsehoods, the FRA fought it, the scientific review board had no choice but to refute it when presented with the truth, the study and its recommendations were rejected.

The FRA recommended a new hogfish study by rational & impartial scientists, which many divers have now participated in and assisted with. Part of the study is to collect specimens at tournaments.......

And he tries to take credit for the hogfish study?

At the same time he promotes his new organization, which has actually accomplished nothing beyond distracting from the ones that are already there?

He claims to be an "ardent supporter" of FRA......and the best evidence he can produce is $480 from his tournament........when he extracted in the neighborhood of $100,000 from the spearfishermen and the industry at the event?

Despicable, in my opinion. :pissed:

Bump, damn it!:BoomSmilie_anim::BoomSmilie_anim::BoomSmilie_a nim:

Dude, It's still early.;)

I cannot disagree with you though.
The last few posts by him on that "moderator thread" made me sick:pissed:
He's trying hard to redeem himself for his bonehead decisions.
But what does he care if the gulf gets closed to spearfishing, He lives on the east coast and only shoots one fish per week.

:chuck: :toast:

That individual is the biggest embarrassment to this sport that could be imagined. He had better never call me a "friend" again.

These arguments on his site are great for traffic over there, he loves it. The problem is that most people don't know the truth, for example, hogfish:

Jerry Ault, a Pew Scientist http://www.pewoceanscience.org/press/media-article-archive.php?ID=37 authored a study recommending what amounted to closing down hogfish spearfishing. The document was full of falsehoods, the FRA fought it, the scientific review board had no choice but to refute it when presented with the truth, the study and its recommendations were rejected.

The FRA recommended a new hogfish study by rational & impartial scientists, which many divers have now participated in and assisted with. Part of the study is to collect specimens at tournaments.......

And he tries to take credit for the hogfish study?

At the same time he promotes his new organization, which has actually accomplished nothing beyond distracting from the ones that are already there?

He claims to be an "ardent supporter" of FRA......and the best evidence he can produce is $480 from his tournament........when he extracted in the neighborhood of $100,000 from the spearfishermen and the industry at the event?

Despicable, in my opinion. :pissed:

Word:smthumbup:

:chuck: :toast:

He claims to be an "ardent supporter" of FRA......and the best evidence he can produce is $480 from his tournament........when he extracted in the neighborhood of $100,000 from the spearfishermen and the industry at the event?

Despicable, in my opinion. :pissed:

BTW, Mike at Florida Freedivers organized and executed the ring toss for the FRA donation. As far as I could see, there was zero efforts or investment by Tony for that FRA donation. Once again, Mike at Florida Freedivers stepped up to support the FRA.

:chuck: :toast:

That individual is the biggest embarrassment to this sport that could be imagined. He had better never call me a "friend" again.

These arguments on his site are great for traffic over there, he loves it. The problem is that most people don't know the truth, for example, hogfish:

Jerry Ault, a Pew Scientist http://www.pewoceanscience.org/press/media-article-archive.php?ID=37 authored a study recommending what amounted to closing down hogfish spearfishing. The document was full of falsehoods, the FRA fought it, the scientific review board had no choice but to refute it when presented with the truth, the study and its recommendations were rejected.

The FRA recommended a new hogfish study by rational & impartial scientists, which many divers have now participated in and assisted with. Part of the study is to collect specimens at tournaments.......

And he tries to take credit for the hogfish study?

At the same time he promotes his new organization, which has actually accomplished nothing beyond distracting from the ones that are already there?

He claims to be an "ardent supporter" of FRA......and the best evidence he can produce is $480 from his tournament........when he extracted in the neighborhood of $100,000 from the spearfishermen and the industry at the event?

Despicable, in my opinion. :pissed:

John,

I am the one who came up with the idea to invite Angela from the FWRI to the Spearbored Open, at first the grogan didn't know if it was a good idea or not, I guess after checking with his "advisors" and me hard selling the idea to him, he figured it would be OK.

It was not an idea of his, he did however allow Angela to come there and I think she gained some valuable information.

As far as the fundraising at the SBO, it was Mike and Cheryl from Florida Freedivers that did the ring toss, and I think they are the ones who donated the prizes given away in the ring toss, here again, the grogan is trying to take credit for something he merely allowed to take place at the SBO.

here again, the grogan is trying to take credit for something he merely allowed to take place at the SBO.

And yet for some reason he doesn't want to take credit for the cheating. :D The grogan hates having to deal with things like bad science, cheating, etc. He'd much rather pretend that they don't really exist. :rolleyes:

Every statement made there is twisted into more self serving propaganda for his business endeavors. I posted a few things into that thread recently but I really should just stop. Like John says the only thing it does is invite traffic. You would think he would run out of things to post from the two issues of his rag released this year...but just when you think it is over he finds another little "gem" of Groganisms to bounce of Summerland and whats left of the board.

PS the poof fairy has replaced your request for removal with a glossy two page spread of the "bible" of sperfishing according to Tony.

PSS there are no original ideas left just ask Tony he has had them all and is just waiting to figure out how to make some money on them.

John,

I am the one who came up with the idea to invite Angela from the FWRI to the Spearbored Open,

Thanks for doing that, Brett.

Every statement made there is twisted into more self serving propaganda for his business endeavors. I posted a few things into that thread recently but I really should just stop. Like John says the only thing it does is invite traffic. You would think he would run out of things to post from the two issues of his rag released this year...but just when you think it is over he finds another little "gem" of Groganisms to bounce of Summerland and whats left of the board.

PS the poof fairy has replaced your request for removal with a glossy two page spread of the "bible" of sperfishing according to Tony.

PSS there are no original ideas left just ask Tony he has had them all and is just waiting to figure out how to make some money on them.

If we would just follow this notion we could all move foward. Jason

I was wondering when someone was going to say something. He basically takes credit for the existence of the FRA, the hogfish study, etc... He is an ass clown.

What is the screen name of the guy who posted that 1st post above?

The only real productive things on that thread have been said by Gamble, Apex, Bill M and Denny. The thread does however serve a purpose in revealing how twisted "Coney Trojan" really is. He selectively responds w/so much smoke and mirrors that after awhile even the blind will know to get the hell of that sinking ship.

Man am I happy this place finally came online.:FIREdevil:

Denny and Gamble you guys are an example to us all. Keep at it.:BoomSmilie_anim: someday well all wake up and hail the work you are doing

What is the screen name of the guy who posted that 1st post above?

Marcus,

It was me. Relapse.

Here is his PM to me from the other board:


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Hey Roger, calling me fag is is so juvenile. Why can't you just present your points without resorting to name-calling? These guys asked me to explain why and how the Koenig article got into SF Magazine and I have attempted to do so. I have no personal beef with you and simply was interested in a civil discussion of the subject. Thanks, Tony
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And my reply...


Because representing my points is what I tried to do before and you refuse to listen. You continue to spin-spin-spin. Are you a fag, why does that bother you so? What I am saying is no different from your own behavior. I may just make it my personal duty to expose you in every way, comment by comment as you continue your bullshit way of doing things. You piss me off and I have never met you. Does say anything to you?

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Post got poofed.:FIREdevil:

Its aweful quite over there! I usually post alot of trip reports, boat is in the shop. I wont post a report over there EVER again. We need to get a petition up and forward it ot his sponsors who are totally in the dark as to the harm he is doing our sport...and in the end what people like him will do to the industry from the guy who makes the snorkel keeper to the speargun manufacturer.

I think you all should just let it go and focus on making Spearfishingplanet.com the site people will want to come when searching for info on our sport. I was getting sick of all the bs that was going down on the other site which is why this place was such a breathe of fresh air. Dragging all of the SB crap over to this site is just polluting what in my mind is a great place to come for spearing info. I understand peoples anger with SB but sometimes you just have to walk away from that crap and let it die.

I agree with sremsen. Let it go dude. it's over. All you're doing is raising your own blood pressure. :banghead: Repeat after me...OOHSAAA......OOHSAAA.

I agree with sremsen. Let it go dude. it's over. All you're doing is raising your own blood pressure. :banghead: Repeat after me...OOHSAAA......OOHSAAA.

I know. I'm basically done with it. But here is PM to me, the latest. :tool:



Damm Dude -----relax, it's just the Internet. I wondered if I had ever met you because I meet lots of people and am bad with names. I will try to call you Roger later today. I may not be as bad a guy as you think. Thanks, Tony

If your phone rings and a South Florida # pops up - don't answer. He'll keep you on the phone ALL DAY.
At the end, your head will hurt and you'll feel dirty for having listened.

I'm as disgusted with him as the next guy, but I'm tired of getting worked up about him. I'd rather sit back and watch his ship sink - that I WILL enjoy. :)

If he does reach you by phone be prepared to be his "good friend" from here on out.

... and for a post to show up on SB within minutes providing a run-down of the conversation, or at least his version of it.

I agree we should just let all this go. I was crapped on as bad or worse than anybody but it seems as though we are just picking at a pus filled scab.

Last night, a friend of mine who I greatly respect likened this to a bad breakup with a girlfriend.
He suggested the best thing to do is to ignore the other person. You dont drive by their house, you dont call them on the phone, nothing. Doing that will drive them more crazy than anything!
Of course one person who heard the conversation (who will go un-named) said that he would still sh** on her windshield. :slap:


I also would mention that the SB sponsors Ive spoken with are very aware of the situation and want to stay out of this. It is their business to do what they wish.

I suggest we continue to make this the best spearfishing site on the planet.
By doing that, we will show who the better men are.

People like that aren't worth arguing with. No matter what you say, no matter what you prove - you can never convince them that they are wrong. Save your breath.

Last night, a friend of mine who I greatly respect likened this to a bad breakup with a girlfriend.
He suggested the best thing to do is to ignore the other person. You dont drive by their house, you dont call them on the phone, nothing. Doing that will drive them more crazy than anything!
Of course one person who heard the conversation (who will go un-named) said that he would still sh** on her windshield. :slap:

Now THAT was a funny conversation!:rofl:

:whistle: Nothing that a run through the car wash wouldn't take care of... :whistle:

Of course one person who heard the conversation (who will go un-named) said that he would still sh** on her windshield.




So basically, if Tony attends the SPO weigh-in, and considering the amount of beer that is consumed that night by, well, EVERYBODY - he should be hoping that no one knows what his car looks like? :)

I think this is the one.......

Well... I can definitely say that the people over here are a lot more funny and have a far better sense of humor anyway.:rofl:

I agree on all counts, Richt! Poof...it's gone.:cool:

did grogan really make a 100,000 at the last SBO

did grogan really make a 100,000 at the last SBO


I don't see how he could have, I think it would be more like $15,000 +/-, I doubt he will ever make that much on another though, if he even has one.

did grogan really make a 100,000 at the last SBO

For clarification, I didn't say "made".

He advertised $75000 in prizes. That would have come from industry. He had roughly 250 participants, at roughly $100 each, or $25,000. My point was that with all of those contributions from the dive community, it seems like a $480 donation back to the community does not equal "ardent supporter". It's more like "Token effort".

Virtually all of the known groups, including Helldivers, have invested much more than that in our effort to get a fair shake. That comes out of diver's pockets.

What bothers me is that he is trying to pass himself off in public as a key figure in that effort, when in it appears to those closer to reality that he is trying to steal the spotlight....for next to nothing.

That is a discredit to all of the people who actually have made a difference.

We do have a good thing going. We have improved the image of spearfishing. We do have some great people involved, and they have made tremedous contributions of time, talent, and money. And we have made well deserved headway, for the first time ever, at least in the SE U.S. :rant:

The program is simple:


We want a fair shake.
We want the resource to remain healthy
We want it to be utilized in the best interest of our country
We want our regulators to use good science
We want biased and bad science thrown out
We want to be civil
But we will pee on heads if we have to :D

Heh Heh.
Peeing is cool. :D

Heh Heh.
Peeing is cool. :D

:cussing: If I were a mod, I would ban you. :D

Dude, you are way too cool of a buddaaayyyy to ban anybody. :D

i have been reading and reading on both forums for weeks, maybe months about all of this break down that is going on. And still i have no clue as to what is happening. What i do see is that spearmax does not reply to peoples direct comments to him. especially on the thread labeled "Moderation on Spearboard"

He wont because he has told so many different versions of "his side of the story" that if he does comment he dig his own grave and ruin any credibilty( with those nieve enough to believe him) he still thinks he may hold. Tony has more stories than Dr. Suess...and they are all fiction!

And I am still waiting for the phone call HE VOLUNTEERED:FIREdevil:

Good air in....

Bad air out....

Lets move on guys and make this the best spearfishing site on the planet like richt said. Post your trip reports and technique questions. That is what will make our site the best.

Spearfishing Planet..."Best Spearfishing Site on the Planet!"