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StabbinMan
08-03-2007, 02:36 AM
Our government's Fisheries Management and the recreational spearfishing community share a common goal: to manage the sustainable use of and access to marine fisheries

Accurate scientific data is needed to determine 'sustainable use', and assess prudent limits upon our access to marine fisheries.

Collecting and interpreting complete scientific data regarding fish stocks is difficult at best, and often requires regulators to 'fill in the blanks'. Understandably, those who regulate our sport often must make their best estimates when deciding how to manage the sustainable use of and access to OUR marine fisheries.

While the majority of scientists are reasonable and mainstream in their intentions, the bias of a radical few can often skew or taint the interpretation of this data to fit their agenda. It is our job as responsible sportsmen to protect our sport against those who seek to unfairly limit our rights.

Here are some examples of scientists whose agendas are frequently biased :

Dr. Felicia Coleman and her husband Dr. Christopher Koenig are scientists employed by Florida State University. Their research is funded by our tax dollars, as well as contributions from very extreme private institutions such as:

Pew Charitable Trusts
Examples of the Pew bias can be found by reading these articles:

Experts Criticize Pew Trusts for False Salmon Scare
http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=16808

Who`s Bankrolling The Enemy by the NRA
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1874486/posts

Possibly the biggest and most powerful foundation is The Pew Charitable Trusts, which was endowed with various inheritances of the four children of Joseph N. Pew, founder of the Sun Oil Company.

As of 2002, its total assets were $7,631,088,018 and in that year alone it awarded $238,534,822 in grants. Here are a few examples: The Tides Foundation and Tides Center got $114,086,400 between 1990-2002; Earthjustice (The Sierra Club`s Legal Defense Fund, which has fought to stop the hunting of grizzlies and wolves) got $19,046,000 between 1995-2003; the Natural Resources Defense Council (a group that grew famous when it accused apple growers of using cancer-causing agents--allegations that proved false, yet cost apple growers an estimated $250 million) was given $11,568,000 between 1991-2000; and the Sierra Club was given $4,035,000 between 1992-2001.

There are many other examples--Geraldine R. Dodge Foundation, The Rockefeller Foundation--but they all follow the same pattern, loads of money from old industry being dumped into far-left causes, many of which are designed to erode your rights as a sportsman and a shooter.

From The Pew Charitable Trust Fellows Program at
http://161.58.251.199/pewFellowsDirectoryTemplate.php?PEWSerialInt=572

The goal of Felicia Coleman's Pew Fellowship is to evaluate the effectiveness of two marine protected areas in the Gulf of Mexico for management and protection of goliath grouper (a candidate for the U.S. Threatened and Endangered Species List and considered by the American Fisheries Society to be at risk of extinction in North America),

Editors note: Who says Goliath Grouper are at risk of extinction anymore? That flies in the face of what I see every time I dive. They're plenty of fully grown, fearless goliath grouper busily consuming hoards of fish on the reefs. If we don't manage their population soon, they may very well starve!

From The Science News Online article quoting Felicia Coleman's research at :http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20040828/fob6.asp

The researchers then focused on fish that the National Marine Fisheries Service has assessed as either "overfished" or "experiencing overfishing." Coleman and her colleagues determined, for example, that recreation accounts for 59 percent of red snapper landings in the Gulf of Mexico.

Editors note: It is difficult to believe that recreational fishing could account for 59 percent of any landings. Fifty nine percent of all landings is an incredibly HUGE departure from all of the other conventional estimates of recreational fishing landings.

The abstract of her scientific data shows the incredible departure from normal recreational landing rates of 4-23%, and bears close scrutiny.
(http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/1100397 )

Read this article by Coleman and you'll see how the science used to make this claims varies significantly from established norms:

The Impact of United States Recreational Fisheries on Marine Fish Populations
Felicia C. Coleman,1* Will F. Figueira,2 Jeffrey S. Ueland,3 Larry B. Crowder2

We evaluated the commercial and recreational fishery landings over the past 22 years, first at the national level, then for populations of concern (those that are overfished or experiencing overfishing), and finally by region. Recreational landings in 2002 account for 4% of total marine fish landed in the United States. With large industrial fisheries excluded (e.g., menhaden and pollock), the recreational component rises to 10%. Among populations of concern, recreational landings in 2002 account for 23% of the total nationwide, rising to 38% in the South Atlantic and 64% in the Gulf of Mexico. Moreover, it affects many of the most-valued overfished species—including red drum, bocaccio, and red snapper—all of which are taken primarily in the recreational fishery
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How can we assure that fishery regulation is based on sound scientific methods using valid data, and an accurate picture of the fishery?

What can you and I do to help protect our rights? Get involved!

Join an organization that supports responsible fishing and work with them in the fight. The FRA (http://thefra.org) happens to be an organization that I belong to here in Florida, and I would recommend you join as well.

Screen Name
08-03-2007, 08:04 AM
Its a huge tangled mess, and we agree, it would be great to get it unraveled. Here's just the tip of the iceberg in the SE US:


Felicia Coleman: Wants grouper mortality at natural levels....= no fishing. Huge proponent of MPA's, in fact, anything to end fishing.
Chris Koenig: Felicia's husband and partner. They keep separate names to maximize their grant opportunities. The main reason I have become a Gator fan.
Bohnsack: Responsible for the bogus science that is used across the nation to close areas to spearfishing, even when fishing is allowed. This includes, for example, the Flower Gardens off of Texas.
Ault: Friend of Bohnsack. Responsible for flawed science used to close huge areas of the Dry Tortuga's to all fishing last year. Produced grossly exaggerated, clearly flawed hogfish research.
MPA's: Closing off large areas to fishing, effectively squeezing fishermen into smaller areas.
Roy Crabtree: Forced reduction of Red Grouper to 1 for rec fishermen, despite overwhelming evidence and resistance to their data. The data was refuted by National Academy of Science. Further NMFS studies proved that the species was not overfished, just like we argued. To date, nobody got a fish back.

Oversaw creation of the bogus "Longline Buyout", which would have given the Grouper fishery to the longliners. If anybody ever wants to read the detail, let me know. It was a fishery nightmare that we helped stop by exposing it to the public.

Solely responsible for eliminating the right of charter operators to fish, although it has nearly no impact on the fishery.

Responsible for arbitrarily cutting red snapper quotas for both rec and commercial fishermen by more than half recently, despite overwhelming evidence that the current 8 month closure has produced a tremendous resurgence.

Responsible for the oppressive VMS (electronically monitoring your boats whereabouts 24/7 at your expense) system, which in addition to that, requires commercial fishermen to call NMFS before they depart for any trip, and declare what kind of fish they are going to catch. The sole and only effect this has is to burden fishermen financially, create a huge monitoring bureaucracy and more taxpayer expense, and violate individual privacy. Not a single fishery benefit is yielded.

Responsible for the "Red Snapper Quota System" that was designed by the big hitters. Its so cumbersome and intrusive for the average fisherman, that its only practical for the 100,000 lb guys. You have to call them 3 hours before you return to port so enforcement can meet you there to check your catch........you have to wait for them. All this, despite the fact that fishermen must be federally permitted and can only sell to federally permitted seafood wholesalers. Violations could risk the entire permit.

Bill Hogarth: Crabtree's boss. Basically responsible for this nightmare. Also responsible for managing the Northeast fishery into the hands of big business, virtually eliminating small fishermen and severely restricting recreational fishing. In some cases, commercial fishermen can catch a species and recreational cannot.

Don Dimaria: Google his name and you'll find it right next to a lot of these. The single most responsible person for jewfish closure. Extreme opponent of any Jewfish harvest....no matter how much they overwhelm the gulf. Prominent advisor to the "lets use diplomacy only" people.

Carlos Gutierrez: Bush's appointed secretary of commerce who has signed off on all of the miserable policies enacted, regardless of overwhelming opposition by fishermen, the public that are affected.

George Bush: Responsible for the whole mess, including his big campaign to "end overfishing". Guess who determines whether there is overfishing? Wouldn't be Pew sponsored scientists, would it? You don't suppose that the Pew oil money somehow influences the president and our political process, do you?

Senator Ted Stevens, R Alaska: One of the authors of Magnuson-Stevens......the law that sounds good, but is really used to take fishing away from the public and put it in the hands of big business. You don't suppose he would make laws that benefit him, do you? Read this: http://www.sitnews.us/0905news/092005/092005_shns_stevens_fish.html
Senator Trent Lott, R Miss: Senate Appropriations Committee........funding for NOAA. Close relationship with a $70,000,000/year seafood wholesaler in Mississippi.


http://outdoorsbest.zeroforum.com/zeroforum?id=2 Florida Sportsman Conservation Front forum. Several of us have forged good relationships there and share information with fishermen to get the facts straight. We have improved the relationship with hook & line people and worked together for a fair shake.

Organizations opposed to fishing:

Ocean Conservancy

Blue Frontier Campaign

Conservation International

Cousteau Society

Deep Sea Conservation Coalition

Environmental Defense

Wildlife Federation

Greenpeace International

Lighthouse Foundation

National Environmental Trust

Nature Conservancy

Oceana

Ocean Project

Oceanic Resource Foundation

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals

Pew Institute for Ocean Science

ReefBase

Save Our Seas

Sierra Club

Species Survival Commission

World Wildlife Fund

Here are links to all of them: http://www.marinebio.com/Ocean...s.asp

CCA: A "conservation organization" that works in the interest of inshore fishermen. Generally supports MPA's (Their members don't fish there), typically absent on any issue affecting offshore fishermen and divers. Supports elimination of spearfishing but not hook & line fishing.

Who looks out for fishermen?

richt
08-03-2007, 09:08 AM
Excelent, excelent work gentleman!!:toast:

Slingador
08-03-2007, 09:18 AM
:allhail:

StabbinMan
08-03-2007, 09:31 AM
Anyone else think this thread should be 'sticky'?
And referenced/linked in the 'Welcome to SpearFishingPlanet' thread?

ITSABOUTTIME
08-03-2007, 10:01 AM
Maybe we shlould ask for a statement from the CCA concerning their position on spearfishing before any support is thrown behind them. Fishy Legislative Bills

To the Editor:

There is another angle to the current CCA vs. everyone else seafood and sportfishing political muscle story ("A Question of Balance," May 1) – the outlawing of bowfishing and spearfishing.

Two weeks ago in The Times-Picayune sports section, a list of bills affecting fishing and boating was published. One of them was a bill to outlaw recreational bowfishing and spearfishing. This smacks of discrimination. The number of effective spearfishermen (divers, either scuba or free-diving) in this state is miniscule. The spearfishing is done almost exclusively under oil rigs and for garfish and catfish in freshwater. I have been a diver for 30 years. I want to tell you that the men who make the spectacular catches of big fish risk their lives to do it.

The rigs which hold larger fish and have workable visibility are in deep water, and during much of the year the larger fish of most species are well below 100 feet. The weekend warriors who can spear, subdue and boat a significant number (their recreational limit) of fish are very few. To have the politically connected rod-and-reel fishermen interests outlaw spearfishing and bowfishing seems petty and selfish. It’s like a large glutton elbowing a smaller diner out of his chair so he can sop up the last bits on his neighbor’s plate.

As far as the conservation impact of bowfishing and spearfishing, just how much of that is going on anyway? Not much I bet, not enough to get a politician’s interest even if they all wrote him or showed up at his office. Louisiana line fishermen seem determined to have exclusive fishing rights in Louisiana. What next? No one but people actually born in this state can get a license?

I am not sure, but I heard that even before this proposed bill, the right to spearfish or bowfish commercially at any level had already been outlawed.

Chris Trammell





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sremsen
08-03-2007, 10:11 AM
Chris-It sounds to me like the H&L fisherman are looking to demonize spearfishing in your state to take a pressure of themselves. We have something similiar that has happened up here in MA where spearfishing is outlawed for striped bass yet allowed by H&L, both recreationally and commercially. Spearfishing here is even more miniscule than your home state and the effect on the fish population would be negligible. I Wish you all the best in your endeavour to protect our sport in your home state
Steve

ITSABOUTTIME
08-03-2007, 10:31 AM
Chris-It sounds to me like the H&L fisherman are looking to demonize spearfishing in your state to take a pressure of themselves. We have something similiar that has happened up here in MA where spearfishing is outlawed for striped bass yet allowed by H&L, both recreationally and commercially. Spearfishing here is even more miniscule than your home state and the effect on the fish population would be negligible. I Wish you all the best in your endeavour to protect our sport in your home state
Steve

that was a letter to the Editor I coppied and pasted, but share the concern that the CCA may share mutual intrest with us we should not expect them to represent out intrests unless commit to do so, otherwise support an org. like FRA and let FRA work with them on mutually beneficial initiatives so our own money and support does not get used against us. my name is Brian and I live in FL

Gamble
08-03-2007, 10:46 AM
Great work guys!!!! THANK YOU!!!

JLittle44
08-03-2007, 10:51 AM
Maybe we shlould ask for a statement from the CCA concerning their position on spearfishing before any support is thrown behind them.

These people will never get another dollar from me. Anyone reading this should check into the latest lawsuit the CCA filed against the NMFS and who they partnered with. They are spinning it into an attack on the shrimping indusrty but the Gulf Council is sticking it to the rec fishermen. The result of that suit was devastating and the NMFS now has a federal court order to...:cussing:

Research it.

StabbinMan
08-03-2007, 11:02 AM
Reference to the CCA removed pending further investigation into their stance on spearfishing. Thanks for the heads up.

Grauwer
08-03-2007, 11:25 AM
great post:toast::toast:

webers
08-03-2007, 11:39 AM
Great post guys! This is what we need. . .clearly putting the facts out there!

threw-er-back
08-03-2007, 02:01 PM
Now THAT'S stepping up..


THANK YOU BOTH VERY MUCH!!!