I can't stand this doom and gloom shit.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/04/23/gas.prices/index.html

If anyone wants to get rid of a $30,000 boat for $5,000 out of fear, I'll be happy to buy it :D

it's all bullshi*. cost me almost $90 to fill my hd .

It's already over $4/gal. out here

I love my Suburban...but it costs me $100 to fill it!:(

IMHO the boating industry is going to really feel the pinch in the next few months.

Diesel is $4.35/gal in CA. I was in Baja last week, and it's only $2.08 there.:scratchhead:

diesel is 4.46 in the keys.

they just put up all the signs at the pumps this week about E10... "it might be harmful to marine engines and fuel systems"

I love my Suburban...but it costs me $100 to fill it!:(

IMHO the boating industry is going to really feel the pinch in the next few months.



Amen...the new Yukon XL x 40 gal x 3.52=140.80
They need to raise the pump limits as I have to run the credit card twice.:absolut::absolut::absolut::absolut:

They need to raise the pump limits as I have to run the credit card twice.:absolut::absolut::absolut::absolut:


No sh*t - $50-$75 is about half what it needs to be.

Diesel is $4.35/gal in CA. I was in Baja last week, and it's only $2.08 there.:scratchhead:


So did you shoot any big groupa's homie???:BoomSmilie_anim:

So did you shoot any big groupa's homie???:BoomSmilie_anim:

No. It was a land-based business trip helping some friends with a real estate deal. Next time - :BoomSmilie_anim::fish:

Diesel is $4.35/gal in CA. I was in Baja last week, and it's only $2.08 there.:scratchhead:

$2.08/liter?

$2.08/liter?

No, 5.76 pesos/liter which is the equivalent of $2.08/gal at current exchange rates.

Less than that down in Ecuador where my wife is from... in fact, most everywhere in the world its usually about half of what gasoline is except here in the states... just anotha case of tha man holdin a brutha down... if we had the balls and everyone headed to their respective state capitals with torches and pitchforks then we would see a change.. but it don't hurt bad enough to actually do anything about it cuz the politicians and oil companies sure as hell aint gonna do anything about it :bringiton:

Wasn't Bush...in oil...at some point...

You give Bush to much credit, take the futures/commodities markets out of the picture and you would see a change, that and the devaluation of the dollar aka banking/mortgage industry clusterf**k creating the perfect storm...

To top it off there is some female politician trying to pass a bill that will put a permanent ban on drilling in the gulf off the coast of Fl. This is total BS seeing as the chinese are drilling (so i heard) between the keys and cuba,....I call:bsflag:WTF:redcard:

I heard Anwar, if it produced as promised, would provide a mere 1.5 years of oil to the U.S. I doubt the Gulf has much more. Alternatives?

4.75 for diesel here and they make the fuel 35 miles away on another one of our sister islands in one of the worlds biggest refinery's, on that island it is only 3.07
5.51 at the dock for diesel
At this price it sucks but what are you going to do. Lucky enough for myself I have a 2200 gallon storage tank for equipment and the back-up hurricane generator with a pump I installed onto it. Buying a 1,000 gallons or more and it works out to be in the 3.85 range so the savings is worth it in the long run.

I heard Anwar, if it produced as promised, would provide a mere 1.5 years of oil to the U.S. I doubt the Gulf has much more. Alternatives?

You heard wrong, but drilling is only part of the problem, refining crude into fuel is the other part. We have not built new ones since the 70s, hurricane Katrena started this ball rolling by knocking a few of them off line. The left wing of the gov. has time after time stoped plans for new drilling and refine plants. The Lefts plan make gas so expensive people will have to change there lifestyles and develope new means of energy. So we got just that, only problem there is no great new energy source to take oils place and nothing viable for the future. This is a fuel based economy gas prices go up everything goes up, everything you come in contact with in you day to day life relies on gas to be constructed, delivered, or is made from it like plastic.:banghead::banghead::banghead:

I heard Anwar, if it produced as promised, would provide a mere 1.5 years of oil to the U.S. I doubt the Gulf has much more. Alternatives?

Well, yes

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601086&sid=aBUoYKhu7PWk

That article does not talk about the gulf of mexico.

You heard wrong

I'm not so sure dude.

ANWR is estimated to hold 4.3 to 11.8 billion barrels of technically recoverable oil.

America uses 20.5 million barrels daily.

The easy math shows that ANWR would last anywhere from 215 to 590 DAYS...if we could even pump and refine it fast enough to feed our daily use.

I'd love to see something saying something else. But, I still think we would be better off using our brains and money to develop something besides a limited resource, no matter how you slice it.

I know a small place over in the middle east where some US citizens are hanging out chillin that just might be able to ease the situation at the pump?? WTF don't we take advantage of it????

I'm not so sure dude.

ANWR is estimated to hold 4.3 to 11.8 billion barrels of technically recoverable oil.

America uses 20.5 million barrels daily.

The easy math shows that ANWR would last anywhere from 215 to 590 DAYS...if we could even pump and refine it fast enough to feed our daily use.

I'd love to see something saying something else. But, I still think we would be better off using our brains and money to develop something besides a limited resource, no matter how you slice it.

Best I understand that is the number of confirmed recoverable oil, but more exploration will uncover more. This country doesn't rely on 1 source for oil so putting it in terms of days doesn't work. We are paying more per barrel because of demand, if we drill more of our own oil, higher demand caused by countries like China and India are not as big a factor, and not supporting hostile countries, communist and dictators is a good thing. Finding an alternitive energy is a good thing, but find it first. If you find something better and cheaper than fossile fuels the free market will adopt it, but this social engineering is going to ruin this great country.:soapbox:

ANWR is estimated to hold 4.3 to 11.8 billion barrels of technically recoverable oil.

America uses 20.5 million barrels daily.

The easy math shows that ANWR would last anywhere from 215 to 590 DAYS...if we could even pump and refine it fast enough to feed our daily use.

I'd love to see something saying something else. But, I still think we would be better off using our brains and money to develop something besides a limited resource, no matter how you slice it.

Junior,

I've been spending a bit of time digging around the US Geological Survey Site on account of their having begun to revise earlier estimates on the size of deposits not only in ANWR, but in large swaths of Colorado and Montana as well.

It looks like many - if not most - of the calculations that would fall into the range of values that you've provided are predicated on a mean per barrel cost of $24 (value in 1996) dollars. I would imagine that these estimates would have to be upwardly revised, although I'm not sure how significantly, in light of the $116 price of crude that the world markets are currently enduring. I'd be really interested to know what the marginal returns for a field are in relation to the per barrel price of crude. Sounds like another research project . . .

The links are definitely worth exploring for those who are interested.

http://energy.cr.usgs.gov/oilgas/noga/

http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/fs-0028-01/fs-0028-01.htm


Best,

Andrew

almost there 3.65 in Tampa this a.m.

They are looking to build a new refinery here in South Dakota about 50-60 miles south of here. It looks like it will pass but the tree huggers are trying to kill it. This would be the first new refinery since the 60s I believe. I don't get it everyone complains about the price of gas, but don't put that thing in my back yard. I believe it will be a boon to our local economy. They are saying 1000 people to build it and then 1500 permanent well paying jobs after. I really hope it goes through, for our community and for our country.

If you do some googling, you will find the way much of Europe "gassed" their vehicles during WWII in the absence of petroleum products. Petroleum is not the only thing that can get you from A to B. It's just the most familiar thing. Petroleum is so boring these days...

Look what Utah has..

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080425/ap_on_bi_ge/utah_natural_gas_vehicles_4

Here's an old alternative bypassed in favor of cheaper gas. Such a shame to think that the last 100 years of most of our automotive engineers were sucked into the design vortex of a dying fuel source.:D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wood_gas

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischer-Tropsch_process

Fischer-Tropsch conversion was perfected by Germany near the ending of WW2. South Africa has been using it since today. The USA is like the Saudia Arabia of coal. Coal to Liquids (CTL) conversion is a very profitable energy source with today's gas prices. I've been following a company called Rentech for quite some time now. They alledgedlly have the most efficient CTL process currently and are creating conversion plants in the MidWest where it makes the most sense. They are also getting state government subsidies to help them with their business case. I not an investor yet, but I'm keeping a close eye on them. ;)

Read this after you take some rolaids

[url]www.marketwatch.com/news/story/gasoline-could-hit-7-oil/story.aspx?guid=%7B824E895C%2Df6

Read this after you take some rolaids

[url]www.marketwatch.com/news/story/gasoline-could-hit-7-oil/story.aspx?guid=%7B824E895C%2Df6

linky no worky.

The technology is out there. It has been for years. But when Exon can make Billions a quarter you are not going to see it. And these are OLD articles. There were some guys from this area that had a 100 MPG rabbit that went away years ago.

http://www.fuel-efficient-vehicles.org/FEV-Super-Carburetors.php

No sh*t - $50-$75 is about half what it needs to be.

yeah lol what is up with price caps at the gas station? $50 has never been even close to enough to fill my boat and now with higher prices i get less gas than before.

http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/apr2008/bw2008041_945564_page_3.htm

Me thinks GW is trying to pull the wool over the mis-informed public's eyes again in order to bolster his case for an energy grab.
I'd be willing to bet money that there will be another horrible 'terrorist incident' just prior to the general elections. Just do what the TV tells you. :circle:

I do not remember where I got this, but if it is true, it is some scary crap! MUST WATCH! It is kind of long, but well worth it.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC61X78-OI0&feature=related

I do not remember where I got this, but if it is true, it is some scary crap! MUST WATCH! It is kind of long, but well worth it.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC61X78-OI0&feature=related

Wow!

Watch all 8 parts!

Me thinks GW is trying to pull the wool over the mis-informed public's eyes again..

Marcus, it's not just GWB. We're getting hit by both sides of the aisle with different reasons funneled toward a common goal.

Marcus, it's not just GWB. We're getting hit by both sides of the aisle with different reasons funneled toward a common goal.

Yep. All dancing to the same tune, just singin' a different song.