Spearboard use to be loaded with dive reports and good info, now there is hardly anything. If fact this morning the site was even down. What is up? Maybe this site will pick up where Spearboard has left off.

Thats the idea

Welcome, you have found the way to go foward. Just let the rest go.

Spearboard is down for me right now too. I'm glad to hear it isn't personal.

For what its worth, I think the CA forum of Spearboard still has more trip reports and other posts such as equipment questions and discussions than Planet does. And when I've posted identical trip reports for three different days this week, I get more comments and replies on Spearboard than on Planet.

I'm not trying to say that people are obligated to reply to my trip reports on either site, or that one is better than the other. I think its just a matter of most California members of Spearboard not being involved in the recent fracas. I bet a majority don't even know that anything happened, and don't know about this site. If guys just read their local forum, they don't see all the bitching and moaning.

Spearboard is down for me right now too. I'm glad to hear it isn't personal.

For what its worth, I think the CA forum of Spearboard still has more trip reports and other posts such as equipment questions and discussions than Planet does. And when I've posted identical trip reports for three different days this week, I get more comments and replies on Spearboard than on Planet.

I'm not trying to say that people are obligated to reply to my trip reports on either site, or that one is better than the other. I think its just a matter of most California members of Spearboard not being involved in the recent fracas. I bet a majority don't even know that anything happened, and don't know about this site. If guys just read their local forum, they don't see all the bitching and moaning.

I've noticed that too, and it always seemed like there was a higher percentage of the California section members that never ventured out of the section. Hopefully with this current downtime, some more will make it over this way and we can get a more lively CA section going.

Send out the email invitations guys.

I've noticed that too, and it always seemed like there was a higher percentage of the California section members that never ventured out of the section. Hopefully with this current downtime, some more will make it over this way and we can get a more lively CA section going.

Frankly, I think California members who ventured out of the section got tired of being called fruits and nuts, California Queers, etc. and decided to just stick close to home. My impression is that a large segment of SE US members felt like it was their board and they didn't want any intrusion. Also, for what ever reason, a lot of them just seem to think that California is not really part of America, so anyone who lived there isn't really American. And then maybe many CA guys noticed when Florida guys were passing instructions to set up a link for new posts that would exclude CA posts. It wasn't enough to just decide not to click on CA posts- they had to feel like they didn't exist. That sort of thing doesn't exactly make you feel welcome. If they want a SE US board, then its their right. But then they shouldn't let people from the rest of the country join up.

Anyway, I hope we can get past those regional resentments here and focus on the thing we share- spearfishing. A policy that doesn't tolerate name calling and personal attacks would go a long way toward achieving that goal.

BTW, I called Nate Baker (tomol) and asked him about Spearboard being down, and he said it was for a previously scheduled software up grade. I would think Tony would have posted notices of that all over the board so that there wouldn't be a repeat of the suspicions and accusations resulting from the last down period.

I swore I would not comment regarding the clown again, but it certainly appears that he is doing everything in his POWER to HELP this website. Who knows about today, true breakdown or another purge? Stalinist Spearboard?

I don't even log on to spearboard any more, it isn't worth my time...

Frankly, I think California members who ventured out of the section got tired of being called fruits and nuts, California Queers, etc. and decided to just stick close to home. My impression is that a large segment of SE US members felt like it was their board and they didn't want any intrusion. Also, for what ever reason, a lot of them just seem to think that California is not really part of America, so anyone who lived there isn't really American.

Whatever happened on whatever board, I don't know any divers that actually feel that way. The East Coast people that I know have a great deal of respect for the CA guys, and superiority never entered their mind. In fact, most SE people that I know are honored to get a chance to dive with the CA guys, forum or not.

The CA divers are badass, and we know it!

I don't even log on to spearboard any more, it isn't worth my time...

I now treat it like I treat FS, they've both gone down the same road. I don't even bother giving them the hits so I don't help their advertising revenue, since that's ALL THAT MATTERS anyway.

Bill,

I think you're making a bigger deal out of it than it actually is. The fruit and nut stuff is just ribbing.

:moon:

Here Here.

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"Can't we all just get along ?"
maybe there is just too much testosterone here and we need to encourage more female spearos-keep those hormones in-check with a co-ed 'dive' buddy. ;)

I swore I would not comment regarding the clown againBut you do every time you post because of your avatar :D

I love the CA members, it's a different ocean, different fish and different methods of hunting. More speargun innovations come from that sect of people than anywhere else. I hope they all come here.

But you do every time you post because of your avatar :D


I like McDonalds, what are you implying???? :whistle:

Quote "Frankly, I think California members who ventured out of the section got tired of being called fruits and nuts, California Queers, etc. and decided to just stick close to home."

Bill I am in California I read the California posts because they have a lot of information about diving and hunting conditions and techniques which apply to the area I can dive easly. I like to read the other posts they are interesting like a good fishing story. If I only have a few minutes I read about loacl conditions and reports over some guy doing a technical dive over a wreck in the atlantic. I do not dislike Florida, I would love to go there some day. It just appears the east coast styles of diving differ from the west coast styles. I would assume most people read posts which are geographicly closer to them first. I think most people know not everyone in california is a gay tree hugger, and only most of florida is over 100. ;)

Myrel C. Willeford

Spearboard use to be loaded with dive reports and good info, now there is hardly anything. If fact this morning the site was even down. What is up? Maybe this site will pick up where Spearboard has left off.

Who cares what happed to spearbored?

The grogan ruined sb, why should it matter if they are offline again?

Bill, I'm sorry to hear that some of the CA guys feel that way. We are open to any suggestions you might have to bridge the gap. There is no preferences here to freedive, scuba, west coast, east coast, etc. We are here to share resources and communicate relating to the sport we all love. Be sure that your CA connections have all been contacted with links to our new home and let's build it together for the benefit of everyone.

Howie, I appreciate your comments and committment to bringing the community together, but I'm afraid I don't have any brilliant suggestions.

I'm not a sociologist or psychologist, so analysis of this sort of thing is above my pay grade. But I am basically a damn pessimist about our species, and I am afraid that there are real regional prejudices and preconceptions about "those rednecks" and "those damn California liberal queers" in spite of the fact that Miami probably has more gays than most places in California and California has huge agricultural and rural areas that have more affinity for Oklahoma than Hollywood, as well as having elected a Republican groper Governor.

Many of the same people who made the divisive comments on Spearboard are here on Planet now. If we got into petty bickering there, what is to stop us from descending into that stuff here?

I hope that what will stop us is learning from our mistakes. Trying to blame Tony for everything that went wrong with Spearboard is just sticking our heads in the sand. We are the guys who shaped Spearboard, and we are the guys who will shape Planet. I bear my share of the blame, and not many of you are in a position to cast the first stone.

If we want this to be a better place, we need to do our best to make it that way. But the pessimist in me tells me that we will need guidance from wise moderators. I know everyone has this reverence for freedom of speech, but if an internet site is to thrive, freedom needs some limits.

Howie, I appreciate your comments and committment to bringing the community together, but I'm afraid I don't have any brilliant suggestions.

I'm not a sociologist or psychologist, so analysis of this sort of thing is above my pay grade. But I am basically a damn pessimist about our species, and I am afraid that there are real regional prejudices and preconceptions about "those rednecks" and "those damn California liberals" in spite of the fact that Miami probably has more gays than most places in California and California has huge agricultural and rural areas that have more affinity for Oklahoma than Hollywood.

Many of the same people who made the divisive comments on Spearboard are here on Planet now. If we got into petty bickering there, what is to stop us from descending into that stuff here?

I hope that what will stop us is learning from our mistakes. Trying to blame Tony for everything that went wrong with Spearboard is just sticking our heads in the sand. We are the guys who shaped Spearboard, and we are the guys who will shape Planet. I bear my share of the blame, and not many of you are in a position to cast the first stone.

If we want this to be a better place, we need to do our best to make it that way. But the pessimist in me tells me that we will need guidance from wise moderators. I know everyone has this reverence for freedom of speech, but if an internet site is to thrive, freedom needs some limits.



DC is the queer capital, over 5% of the total population up there is queer. That is scary. I wonder how many are in office.

I like McDonalds, what are you implying???? :whistle:

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Bill,

I think you're making a bigger deal out of it than it actually is. The fruit and nut stuff is just ribbing.

I would have to agree with Marcus. There may have been people that truly meant what they said about their "regional generalizations", but I think for the most part it was just picking fun. At least in the threads I saw.
The page is turned, dwelling on SB just bums me out. We have a good thing going here and I think a lot of us have learned what not to do when it comes to running/participating in a forum. Let's move on.

I'm not a sociologist or psychologist, so analysis of this sort of thing is above my pay grade. But I am basically a damn pessimist about our species, and I am afraid that there are real regional prejudices and preconceptions about "those rednecks" and "those damn California liberal queers" in spite of the fact that Miami probably has more gays than most places in California and California has huge agricultural and rural areas that have more affinity for Oklahoma than Hollywood, as well as having elected a Republican groper Governor.



I just got back from the live stock auction and bought a couple more nanny goats, one is bread back:thumbup: and have to hear you calling us redneck's?:confused:

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Ha Ha Ha!

I hope that what will stop us is learning from our mistakes. Trying to blame Tony for everything that went wrong with Spearboard is just sticking our heads in the sand. We are the guys who shaped Spearboard, and we are the guys who will shape Planet.........

If we want this to be a better place, we need to do our best to make it that way. But the pessimist in me tells me that we will need guidance from wise moderators. I know everyone has this reverence for freedom of speech, but if an internet site is to thrive, freedom needs some limits.

I, too, hope to see us learing from our mistakes, Bill.
Your observations on the CA section are quite enlightening and worthy of some thought.

The vitriol that can arise from excercising one's freedom of speech can be tempered with some respect. Spearboard is a good lesson in mutual respect.
In the real world, our moderators are many, some being good friends. Those are the mods we respect the most.

The solution may be to take the example just presented and to work toward making Spearfishing Planet the kind of place where all spearos want to hang out and talk.

I would have to agree with Marcus. There may have been people that truly meant what they said about their "regional generalizations", but I think for the most part it was just picking fun. At least in the threads I saw.


Well, I'll have to admit that we gays can be overly sensitive some times, but I've seen a lot of stuff that didn't seem to be just picking fun.

The most recent example that comes to mind was in a thread late the night before SB went down. Of course the thread has been deleted now, but as near as I can recall, I was having a disagreement with a guy from Birmingham over the amount of raunch that should be acceptable on the board. Basically, he was saying that his son could see stuff worse than that all over the place, and I was responding that we could at least make Spearboard a place above the smut. A third guy interjected that he was ashamed that he had once lived in California over 20 years ago, and was damn tired of us Californians trying to tell Southerners how to raise their kids.

That sort of blew me away. In the first place, I wasn't trying to tell anyone how to raise his own kid. I was just talking about what should be acceptable on Spearboard.

But just for the sake of argument, lets say that I was telling the guy he was raising his kid wrong. Does the fact that he happened to be from the South mean that I'm telling all Southerners that they are raising their kids wrong?

That is sort of the equivalent of saying that criticizing any black makes you a racist.

I know that this isn't a huge deal, but it just happens to be the most recent example I can think of in which someone seemed to have this deep-seated antipathy toward Californians in general.

Just because we are paranoid, it doesn't mean they aren't out to get us.:)

just went on spearboard a few minutes ago.

he made some small changes, now the main page looks almost identical to the planets'. (the member pics section, and how many are viewing a particular category.)

coincidence? hmmmmm.............

....But just for the sake of argument, lets say that I was telling the guy he was raising his kid wrong. Does the fact that he happened to be from the South mean that I'm telling all Southerners that they are raising their kids wrong?:)

If that was the case and you were indeed telling someone you never met he was raising his kids wrong. I think you would get some backlash and that would probably include the generalization you mention.


Rich's top two things you never say to a woman you don't know:

1. Are you pregnant?

2. You're raising your kids wrong.



Oh, SB just upgraded to the latest version of Vbulletin, that's why you are seeing the similarities.

If that was the case and you were indeed telling someone you never met he was raising his kids wrong. I think you would get some backlash and that would probably include the generalization you mention.

OK, maybe so, but I wasn't telling the first guy that he was raising his kid wrong- I was disagreeing with him on what should be acceptable on Spearboard. And I had not addressed the third guy- the one who was tired of us Californians telling Southerners how to raise their kids- at all.


Oh, SB just upgraded to the latest version of Vbulletin, that's why you are seeing the similarities.

Unfortunately, ever since the upgrade, it is running very slow for me.

OK, maybe so, but I wasn't telling the first guy that he was raising his kid wrong- I was disagreeing with him on what should be acceptable on Spearboard. And I had not addressed the third guy- the one who was tired of us Californians telling Southerners how to raise their kids- at all


Alright...simmer down now fruitcake!


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Alright...simmer down now fruitcake!


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Take one to know one....:moon:

You guys be nice now.

I'll even loan Marcus one of my pink Speedos if he comes out to dive with me.

Spearboard use to be loaded with dive reports and good info, now there is hardly anything. If fact this morning the site was even down. What is up? Maybe this site will pick up where Spearboard has left off.

HMMMMMMM Imagine that? :whip:

I just finished deleting 531 SB emails notifiying me that someone had replied to various subscribed threads. I didn't know I was suscribed to any threads over there :confused:

The most recent example that comes to mind was in a thread late the night before SB went down. Of course the thread has been deleted now, but as near as I can recall, I was having a disagreement with a guy from Birmingham over the amount of raunch that should be acceptable on the board. A third guy interjected that he was ashamed that he had once lived in California over 20 years ago, and was damn tired of us Californians trying to tell Southerners how to raise their kids.

Bill,

Was the 3rd guy from Birmingham also? If you have ever been to Alabama you would know that they aren't too edukaited. :awink: Just because a guy marries his cousin doesn't give anyone the right to tell him how to raise his kids!

That is a generalization that most 'bamians (and folks from the panhandle of florida aka 'The Redneck Riviera') can't get away from. I'm not sure if I would rather be called a tree hugging queer or an ignorant inbred!

Just know that just because a few folks act and say some mean and ignorant things, that the majority of us don't feel that way. I see the pictures and read the posts you guys write, and would love to someday come out there and spear with any of you guys. As long of course as you didn't wear your pink speedo! :redcard:

:toast: aaron

HMMMMMMM Imagine that? :whip:

Yes, imagine that threw-er-back.

I just finished deleting 531 SB emails notifiying me that someone had replied to various subscribed threads. I didn't know I was suscribed to any threads over there :confused:

Same here. I just logged on to delete all subscriptions and the subscribed number is zero:scratchhead:

I have joined the ranks of deginerates, I sent a PM to the Grogan asking to have my name removed from his member list and he banned my IP. He sent me and email, caliing me "an angry little man" and that SB was alive and well.

I just finished deleting 531 SB emails notifiying me that someone had replied to various subscribed threads. I didn't know I was suscribed to any threads over there :confused:

If you posted, you were "subscribed." Before Scott did a software upgrade a few years ago, you could check a box in your Control Panel asking for an email notifying you of new posts to threads to which you were subscribed. After the upgrade, he asked whether people wanted that feature turned on, and the majority said no, so he left it off. Then it didn't matter which box you checked- you didn't get emails.

Apparently something to do with the new upgrade at SB caused a glitch, and lots of us who had checked the box asking for emails got a bunch of notifications from posts of long ago.

Tony has now asked whether people want the feature turned on. I voted to have it, since each individual can elect to opt out in his user Control Panel, but you do need to go in there and see what is checked.

Sorry everyone for doing all this Spearboard work here, but if people keep posting here about Spearboard technical problems, then they are inviting replies.

That is sort of the equivalent of saying that criticizing any black makes you a racist.

Crikey Bill, you really are no stranger to controversial statements.:rolleyes:;) Anyways, I think your assertion about the "antipathy" of others guys from outside of California is overstated. I never felt that on SB, and I certainly don't feel it here. You're the only one I know of who has ever made it an issue. I certainly hope you don't feel that way now.

As long of course as you didn't wear your pink speedo! :redcard:

He's got a lime green T-Back and some white shrimper boots just for you:noel:

Bill,

Was the 3rd guy from Birmingham also? If you have ever been to Alabama you would know that they aren't too edukaited. :awink: Just because a guy marries his cousin doesn't give anyone the right to tell him how to raise his kids!



I went to college in Alabama for four years, but no- the third guy was from Florida.

how come i get the site is under repair from my computer. go to another computer it works. not that i spend time over there anymore but i still get pm's and would hate for someone to think i am not responding to them.

how come i get the site is under repair from my computer. go to another computer it works. not that i spend time over there anymore but i still get pm's and would hate for someone to think i am not responding to them.

He may have changed IP's for the site and your DNS is not updated yet. Go to your command prompt and enter ipconfig /flushdns. This should take care of the issue.

He may have changed IP's for the site and your DNS is not updated yet. Go to your command prompt and enter ipconfig /flushdns. This should take care of the issue.

flushdns does that mean flush dumb napoleonic s^%thead

sounds like that will delete the site forever:whistle:

thanks for the help

I have a question thats sorta on and off topic. Is it true that you are only to edit/delete post (on SB) within the last 60 days. Or have my powers been revoked?

I have a question thats sorta on and off topic. Is it true that you are only to edit/delete post (on SB) within the last 60 days. Or have my powers been revoked?

Maybe ask someone over on SB. I don't think anyone over here could answer that for you.

Does V-Bulletin have a default to where you can not edit past 60 days, im sure someone could help me out here. Im trying not to ask shit on SB.

Does V-Bulletin have a default to where you can not edit past 60 days, I'm sure someone could help me out here. I'm trying not to ask shit on SB.

yes it is very customizable, if you can think it, it probably can be done

Glad to be here - I was told of the site by a padnah - SB was too vanilla and to get in bed w/ Koenig, Coleman et al was too much. After siting on reef fish stock assessment committees w/ Koenig I know his agenda and good objective science was not in the picture. It was a real eye opener for a young scientist at the time.
Cheers Dave

Glad to have ya!

New to the forum and I'm very surprised to see this post.

Like Bill said most of us CA guys don't really venture out of the other areas or topics. I've only been on the SB for a few months and had no clue about any of what has been going on and still don't (nor care) I just stick to the CA section and topics that benefit me and can help improve my spearfishing ability and Bill has by far posted the most helpful content for us new guys.

I've been in IT almost 20 years and board bickering has been around since the 80's when wildcat boards where the standard. Most problems were ignored mainly because on a 2400 baud modem it took several minutes to post a word let alone a full rant about someone else's post so 99% of it was just ignored.

Since then I've seen it all IRC (bot wars and channel takeovers as I used to be a COP on efnet) BBC board hacking and trolling, AOL problems, (you could actually count the amount of people online in the early 90's) and now online forums. I've been in and out of different subject forums for years and they all seem to be lost when it comes to good forum moderation. The biggest problem is allowing members to post content that is NOT directly related to the topic it was posted under. Things like politics, rants, etc should go in a separate forum so guys looking for good content don't have to be bothered with the BS. For example if I go to a "General Spearfishing Discussion" click on the section "Spearfishing Announcements" and find something that is NOT related to spearfishing or an announcement it should be moved. There are topics that cover that subject so why are they here? I think Mods should be taught to quickly move post to the appropriate section on the board. If so it will be a better place for it's dedicated members that want to avoid the non topic related post.

Bottom line is I'm here for one reason and one reason only. To become a better spearfisher. So if there is better content and expertise here then I'm here and if not I'm where the best content is so I suggest we move all non related spearfishing post and focus on the topic "spearfishing"

Does V-Bulletin have a default to where you can not edit past 60 days, im sure someone could help me out here. Im trying not to ask shit on SB.

I've changed the PHP on that section for a few boards I setup. basically in PHP you can change just about anything you want. Check out the vbulletin forum if you want to know what section to change.CLICK ME HERE <~~~~~~~ (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/)

I've changed the PHP on that section for a few boards I setup. basically in PHP you can change just about anything you want. Check out the vbulletin forum if you want to know what section to change.CLICK ME HERE <~~~~~~~ (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/)

Wow, you sure know a lot.

Spearboard use to be loaded with dive reports and good info, now there is hardly anything. If fact this morning the site was even down. What is up? Maybe this site will pick up where Spearboard has left off.

I agree with LGHT. :iagree:

Seeing as how this topic has nothing to do with spears nor fish nor spearfishing, I recommend moving it to the "Off Topic Area" or closing it down completely. I didn't care for the petty pickering on Spearboard and I don't want to hear about it here. I check the "General Spearfishing Discussion/Announcements" for spearfishing related material, not this crap.

Mods: I hope you keep a proactive approach to monitoring this board and keeping posts on task. Nothing worse than a forum getting off track and Mods not closing it, keeping it on track or moving it. Is there a rules section for this board by the way?

Nuff said, Moved to off topic and closed.