This came up at the weigh-in for the WCC #1 this year.

As I read the rules, scamp need to be 22 inches to be weighed. There was some confusion with people wanting to weigh legal (>16") scamps. I think it should be cleared up before we shoot.

On another note, state regs for triggs are 12" fork, federal are 12" total. As I read the WCC rules, our minimum is 13 inch total, which might make a fish illegal in state waters. Am I right in reading 13" total?

i have no issue either way as long as it is said before everyone leaves. so i am cool with whatever eveyone votes for.

I have nothing to do with the rules commitee this year but
It says right there in the rules plain as day 22" grouper (one red max)
Scamp being a member of the grouper family, how much clearer does it need to be?:scratchhead:

i have no issue either way as long as it is said before everyone leaves. so i am cool with whatever eveyone votes for.


EXACTLY!!!

I have nothing to do with the rules commitee this year but
It says right there in the rules plain as day 22" grouper (one red max)
Scamp being a member of the grouper family, how much clearer does it need to be?:scratchhead:

i think most of us read it that way. it was just brought up at the weigh in and said that they would look into whether people wanted to keep it or make a seperate length for scamp. so keith is just wondering if anything was changed or not.

The rules are as follows:

22" for scamp (as voted upon in WCC #1 05/07/08)
13" to the fork for trigger

The rules should state to the fork on trigger and they do not. Corrections will be noted, thanks guys!

Best of luck to all the teams participating! :smthumbup:

At the risk of being a pain in the A$$, one more question.

The rules state that you have to be in the weigh in line by 7 pm. I think at WCC #1, they changed that to accomodate the Anclote park closing.

So does the weigh in line close at 6 or at 7.

Thanks.

At the risk of being a pain in the A$$, one more question.

The rules state that you have to be in the weigh in line by 7 pm. I think at WCC #1, they changed that to accomodate the Anclote park closing.

So does the weigh in line close at 6 or at 7.

Thanks.

6 pm weigh in for both WCC#1 & WCC#2 due to them being at anclote. The scamp thing needs to be discussed at the morning meeting and clarified. That is how we left it at the last weigh in. I think 16" scamp (overall) should be able to be weighed.

The scamp thing needs to be discussed at the morning meeting and clarified. That is how we left it at the last weigh in. I think 16" scamp (overall) should be able to be weighed.


It will be and I agree Scott.

Another change for the Anclote ramp that was made for the first meet was that you must be inside of the first green marker at the ramp by 6, not in the line by 6. This change was made due to the limited docking space at Anclote because they have that old sailboat tied up to the floating docks.

If anyone has any questions tomorrow please call me because I will not be near a computer till late afternoon/evening.

Scott, call me when you have a chance. :thumbup:

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Bryan

If a 16 inch scamp can be weighed then a 20 inch Red Gouper should be allowed to be weighed too.:rolleyes:
Bad idea...:crazy:

If a 16 inch scamp can be weighed then a 20 inch Red Gouper should be allowed to be weighed too.:rolleyes:
Bad idea...:crazy:

Who pissed in your Cheerios today? And don't roll your eyes at me son. :eek:

I am not sure I understand. Why don't you want scamp to be able to be weighed if they are legal? Make it 17" for scamp then so eveyone is for sure legal. Make it 21" for red grouper and 23" for gag. If someone can't show up with legal fish they are an idiot anyway and should be DQ'ed and get a ticket. I think I'll have an FWC officer at the weigh in just for fun.

Bryan, I'll call you in the morning. I forgot to call you Thursday.

I'm in a meeting till 10 am :moon:

Scott,
So, does this also mean that the rules are going to be changd for snapper, trigger, sheepshead and hogfish as well???
Legal size, right?

IMO...Its never a good idea to change rules once a series has already started.
Winners in this series are often seperated by fractions of a point.
If somebody was not able to weigh in some fish in the first tourny because they were tournament short but legally legal it could certainly change the final outcome.
But then again, what do I know...

Why would a SPUC care about anything having to do with a WCC tourney? Isn't there a Yo Gabbba Gabba marathon on Nick Jr. this Saturday morning ;):moon:;)?

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Why would a SPUC care about anything having to do with a WCC tourney? Isn't there a Yo Gabbba Gabba marathon on Nick Jr. this Saturday morning ;):moon:;)?

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Dont you have a pinewood derby race or girl scout car wash to attend?

No, I'll be slinging my Rhino coated pinewood HOD generating device at massive quatities of marine organisms.

Why would a SPUC care about anything having to do with a WCC tourney? Isn't there a Yo Gabbba Gabba marathon on Nick Jr. this Saturday morning ;):moon:;)?

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that bastard stole my boom box.

Thanks guys,

It's all much clearer now. :confused:

rich every club was represented and it was voted upon for the sake of saving fuel to just give me all the trophies. therefore all bickering over rules is for naught.

this thread would be five pages by now if bgbill was involved:)

IMO...Its never a good idea to change rules once a series has already started.
Winners in this series are often seperated by fractions of a point.
If somebody was not able to weigh in some fish in the first tourny because they were tournament short but legally legal it could certainly change the final outcome.
But then again, what do I know...

I would say something about this, but...


this thread would be five pages by now if bgbill was involved:)

I would hate to be accused of something :angel3:

rich every club was represented and it was voted upon for the sake of saving fuel to just give me all the trophies. therefore all bickering over rules is for naught.
This gets my vote :smthumbup:

Thanks guys,

It's all much clearer now. :confused:

Shoot only BIG fish. Nothing to worry about.:D

I would say something about this, but...



I would hate to be accused of something :angel3:


This gets my vote :smthumbup:



his propensity for rules discussion is well documented. wasn't saying it would be good or bad. just alot longer:)

Thanks guys,

It's all much clearer now. :confused:

Keith: i guess that you didn't see the fine print about don't ask, don't tell. :D

I don't think that Keith or anybody has any problems with the rules as long as everyone is clear on them beforehand. The grouper length issue apparently was (rightly or wrongly) confusing to some participants. The triggerfish length apparently didn't indicate fork length in the rules. The weigh in time apparently was changed to comply with the park rules.

All that seems to me to justify a little question asking. I don't think that anybody is trying to change or renegotiate the rules - just that any possible confusion be cleared up in advance.

On the other hand, Keith: Screw these guys, let's go shoot some pigs! :D:D:D

Just to be clear, I don't give a damn what the rules are. I just thought that it would be nice if it was all decided before the morning of the tourney. Some boats will only have one member at the check in and if the rules are passed around by word of mouth, there is the potential for some serious confusion.

Personally, I think the scamp should stay at 22, the word fork length should be added to the trig measurement, and the weigh in time should be past the green marker by 6 (or in the weigh in line for those traveling by car).

Kite,

As far as shooting hogs, have you really eaten all 5 of those last ones already? I turned my cattle into the woods for a couple weeks and I think that drove some of the pigs out. The cattle are back in the grass now, so as things grow back, I'm sure the hogs will return. I'll let you know when they do.

his propensity for rules discussion is well documented. wasn't saying it would be good or bad. just alot longer:)

That is one of the best, politically correct, understatements ever!!!! :)

How do you get your cattle out of the woods?

I turned my cattle into the woods for a couple weeks and I think that drove some of the pigs out. The cattle are back in the grass now, so as things grow back, I'm sure the hogs will return. I'll let you know when they do.

How do you get your cattle out of the woods?

duh light it on fire:)

and i agree with keith's views of the rules.

Kite,

As far as shooting hogs, have you really eaten all 5 of those last ones already? I turned my cattle into the woods for a couple weeks and I think that drove some of the pigs out. The cattle are back in the grass now, so as things grow back, I'm sure the hogs will return. I'll let you know when they do.

As you might recall, I gave Chris the little one. I've put a pretty good dent in the other four although I'm saving some of the choicest cuts for special occasions. I think that I can last a little longer. Tonight I'm subsisting on some large South Carolina shrimp.

am i the only one shooting out of a kayak tomorow.

As you might recall, I have Chris the little one. I've put a pretty good dent in the other four although I'm saving some of the choicest cuts for special occasions. I think that I can last a little longer. Tonight I'm subsisting on some large South Carolina shrimp.

did you make any sausage or just cuts and stew meat.

Personally, I think the scamp should stay at 22, the word fork length should be added to the trig measurement, and the weigh in time should be past the green marker by 6 (or in the weigh in line for those traveling by car).




:thumbup::)

Good luck everyone!:toast:

Marcus,

Getting the cows out of the woods is easy, you just give them a better option. They really don't like to be in there since the feed is marginal. All we do is open the gate to a pasture that has better graze and in two days they're all out.

Jeep,

First off, not a good time of year to be setting things on fire. You get a lot of crown scorch and kill your mature trees. Plus if a cow drops a calf in the woods, you risk burning it up. I did my burning in January this year.

Secondly, we make sausage out of the lesser cuts.

Kite,

We need to work out some sort of pork for shrimp barter brother.


One last question, since the pot is already so well stirred. At the last WCC they let us weigh cudas. Are cudas a completely seperate category or are they in the same category as AJ/cobia?

Kite,

We need to work out some sort of pork for shrimp barter brother.

Remind me, and I'll bring some to fry up for our next post hunt dinner along with some sweet cajun hushpuppies.

keith i would hope you know i was joking about control burns. having moved enough scrub cattle and doing burns i know the 2 don't mix. but they sure would move a little faster:)

cudas same as cobia/aj

I would like to point some things out to you guys.

In all my years of being around the WCC series I have never seen more bitching about things then with this series. This bitching is worse then freedive tournaments.:eek: They are suppose to be fun and get all the clubs together for some good times. This petty bullshit is what makes people not want to do them. I have seen many people over the years say f#*k that shit because it always seems like it something.

The guys running the tournament for the year always bust their asses to try and make it best for everyone but it is no wonder there are different WCC chairmen every year. Anyone every notice that.:confused:

Like it is said every year if someone has something to say about rules before hand show up to a FSDA meeting and voice your concerns. Guess what though?? No one ever does.

Bryan and Chuck are doing a great job at this for it being the first things they have ever really run.:beer:

Good luck tommorrow and everyone be safe and try to have FUN!!!!

Good luck tommorrow and everyone be safe and try to have FUN!!!!

Why you SPUCS always tryin' to tell people what to do?! :cussing:



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ritchie. i didn't know anyone was bitching. chuck and bryan did a awesome job. someone asked a question and everyone voted in like 2 minutes. everyone was cool with it from what i could tell.
but maybe if you can talk everyone into saying f-it i will finally win:)

I didnt know anyone was bitching either but the florida freeloaders just better have a darn good spread of food waiting when I get back.:D

I would like to point some things out to you guys.

In all my years of being around the WCC series I have never seen more bitching about things then with this series. This bitching is worse then freedive tournaments.:eek: They are suppose to be fun and get all the clubs together for some good times. This petty bullshit is what makes people not want to do them. I have seen many people over the years say f#*k that shit because it always seems like it something.

There was bitching? I must have missed that. All I heard was questions and answers and some good natured ribbing and some talk of killing pigs and eating shrimp - and some exaggeration about how well freedive tournament weighs in go - and some hypersensitive editorialization by some past and present SPUC presidents about people asking questions . . . that did came off a bit bitchy come to think of it. :D

I am sure that Bryan and Chuck are doing a fine job of running things. Don't even try to go there and make it about that. :nono: :)

what time do i need to have my kayak at the boat ramp in the a.m. can we vote for like noon so i can sleep in:)

what time do i need to have my kayak at the boat ramp in the a.m. can we vote for like noon so i can sleep in:)

Jeep: I won't be there, but that sounds fine to me. I did pay though, so my opinion should still count. :D

can i get a second

You have to excuse Ritchie. The old age is making him crabby.:p

Holy shit :eek:

I'm gone all day for interviews and salary negotiations and come back to 3 pages of crap :D

Keith, cuda is the in the same category as AJ and cobia. Check the rules :D;)

The weigh-in time was changed from last year because of the park rules and the weigh-in running late.

The change of "being in line at 6" verses being INSIDE the green marker next to the ramp was made in the morning at the first meet to make things easier on everyone due to the stupid sunken sailboat being tied up to the floating docks AND because the ramp in general is f'n nuts at that time of the day.

I agree with Rich that the rulings (voted upon by all present) made at the first meet about scamp needing to be 22" should carry through the year.
Obviously this will be discussed tomorrow morning.

If changes to the rules are that important to everyone regarding sizes then show your ass up at the FSDA meetings AND voice your opinions to your club's FSDA representative.

See you queers tomorrow morning :smthumbup:

There was bitching? I must have missed that. All I heard was questions and answers and some good natured ribbing and some talk of killing pigs and eating shrimp - and some exaggeration about how well freedive tournament weighs in go - and some hypersensitive editorialization by some past and present SPUC presidents about people asking questions . . . that did came off a bit bitchy come to think of it. :D

I am sure that Bryan and Chuck are doing a fine job of running things. Don't even try to go there and make it about that. :nono: :)


John,
Those present and past SPUC presidents may be of strong opinion, but they will absolutely support whatever decision is made by the tournament chairmen as well as any decision (right or wrong) voted on by the majority of the clubs.;)

Now... more importatly, what are we having for dinner tommorow?!?:D:bounce:

Holy shit :eek:

I'm gone all day for interviews and salary negotiations and come back to 3 pages of crap :D

Keith, cuda is the in the same category as AJ and cobia. Check the rules :D;)

The weigh-in time was changed from last year because of the park rules and the weigh-in running late.

The change of "being in line at 6" verses being INSIDE the green marker next to the ramp was made in the morning at the first meet to make things easier on everyone due to the stupid sunken sailboat being tied up to the floating docks AND because the ramp in general is f'n nuts at that time of the day.

I agree with Rich that the rulings (voted upon by all present) made at the first meet about scamp needing to be 22" should carry through the year.
Obviously this will be discussed tomorrow morning.

If changes to the rules are that important to everyone regarding sizes then show your ass up at the FSDA meetings AND voice your opinions to your club's FSDA representative.

See you queers tomorrow morning :smthumbup:


Yeah! What he said you bunch of homos.:D

Not bitching :D...but 22" scamps aren't easy to come by 'round here.

Now... more importatly, what are we having for dinner tommorow?!?:D:bounce:

I am probably betraying some Florida Freeshafters code of secrecy, but you will be having Hungry Harry's BBQ tomorrow night. I will be dining on South Carolina shrimp. It sounds like we will both will be eating well. :)

Brian,

Here are the rules that I checked. Copied from the FSDA website in the West Coast Council Series under the Rules section:

7) Eligible fish for scoring:
Grouper
22” minimum length (1 red grouper max)
3 Total
Hogfish
13” to fork minimum
3 Total
Sheepshead/Trigger
13" minimum
3 Total
Snapper
13” minimum length, 16” minimum Red & Mutton
3 Total
AJ/Cobia
AJ 28” to fork. Cobia 33” to fork.
1 Total

I don't see any mention of cuda, am I looking in the wrong section?

I truelly didn't mean for this to be a "bitch" thread. It's just that this is my first WCC series and I'm trying to figure out how to play by the rules.

I just realized that what I am looking at on the FSDA website are the 2007 rules, although I'm accessing them by clicking on the 2008 rules link.

Where can I find the 2008 rules?

I am probably betraying some Florida Freeshafters code of secrecy, but you will be having Hungry Harry's BBQ tomorrow night. I will be dining on South Carolina shrimp. It sounds like we will both will be eating well. :)

Yes, the Florida Freeshafters will be providing premium eats unlike teh past dog food being served. :FIREdevil:

damn it someone tell me what time in the a.m so i don't have to call bryan and listen to his gay ass music on his cell phone:)

I didnt know anyone was bitching either but the florida freeloaders just better have a darn good spread of food waiting when I get back.:D

I will pick you up a hot pizza from the nearby Hess station.:D Everyone else gets Hungry Harry's

I am probably betraying some Florida Freeshafters code of secrecy, but you will be having Hungry Harry's BBQ tomorrow night. I will be dining on South Carolina shrimp. It sounds like we will both will be eating well. :)


:allhail::toast::smthumbup:

Nothing like a good hot meal after a day o diving!

I will pick you up a hot pizza from the nearby Hess station.:D Everyone else gets Hungry Harry's

Somebody remind me to give Scott a kick in the azz tommorow. Just in case I forget.:ezpi_wink1:

I am so happy I just shoot this shit (or go to weddings) that I do not have to deal with this poo.

Kite: That little hog converted about 10 people to hig hunting.

good luck all have fun!:smthumbup:

LOOK I PUT AN EMOTICON IN THERE I AM PROUD.

if i don't make it in the a.m i will see everyone at weigh in

Brian,

Here are the rules that I checked. Copied from the FSDA website in the West Coast Council Series under the Rules section:

7) Eligible fish for scoring:
Grouper
22” minimum length (1 red grouper max)
3 Total
Hogfish
13” to fork minimum
3 Total
Sheepshead/Trigger
13" minimum
3 Total
Snapper
13” minimum length, 16” minimum Red & Mutton
3 Total
AJ/Cobia
AJ 28” to fork. Cobia 33” to fork.
1 Total

I don't see any mention of cuda, am I looking in the wrong section?

I truelly didn't mean for this to be a "bitch" thread. It's just that this is my first WCC series and I'm trying to figure out how to play by the rules.

I just realized that what I am looking at on the FSDA website are the 2007 rules, although I'm accessing them by clicking on the 2008 rules link.

Where can I find the 2008 rules?

Thanks for pointing out the link to the 2007 rules under the same link "button" for the 2008 rules on the FSDA website. I'm working on having that corrected.

Keith, no worries dude. If you have questions please ask them in the morning.

Jeep, you must sign in before 7:30 am if not sooner.

Steve,

Triggers were 13" over all.

i find it hard to believe that the rules are complicated. keep a copy on the boat and use it. if your thinking about some being a inch longer than the state regs and some the same as state regs then you are thinking to much. just follow what it says regardless of lengths for other tourneys, state regs etc.
every tourney is diff. so it is important to have a copy of the rules on the boat to look at.

I know nobody asked for the feedback I offered - I wasn't offering it as criticism, just trying to explain that as newcomers we have to spend a little more time paying closer attention to the rules changes.

I'm sure we were the only ones confused, so we'll consider this personal reflection that we need to pay closer attention next time.

No offense intended.

There is only one way to solve this! The Octagon!!!

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