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August 10, 2007
Bush War Adviser Says Draft Worth a Look

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 7:32 p.m. ET

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Frequent tours for U.S. forces in Iraq and Afghanistan have stressed the all-volunteer force and made it worth considering a return to a military draft, President Bush's new war adviser said Friday.

''I think it makes sense to certainly consider it,'' Army Lt. Gen. Douglas Lute said in an interview with National Public Radio's ''All Things Considered.''

''And I can tell you, this has always been an option on the table. But ultimately, this is a policy matter between meeting the demands for the nation's security by one means or another,'' Lute added in his first interview since he was confirmed by the Senate in June.

President Nixon abolished the draft in 1973. Restoring it, Lute said, would be a ''major policy shift'' and Bush has made it clear that he doesn't think it's necessary.

''The president's position is that the all volunteer military meets the needs of the country and there is no discussion of a draft. General Lute made that point as well,'' National Security Council spokesman Gordon Johndroe said.

In the interview, Lute also said that ''Today, the current means of the all-volunteer force is serving us exceptionally well.''

Still, he said the repeated deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan affect not only the troops but their families, who can influence whether a service member decides to stay in the military.

''There's both a personal dimension of this, where this kind of stress plays out across dinner tables and in living room conversations within these families,'' he said. ''And ultimately, the health of the all-volunteer force is going to rest on those sorts of personal family decisions.''

The military conducted a draft during the Civil War and both world wars and between 1948 and 1973. The Selective Service System, re-established in 1980, maintains a registry of 18-year-old men.

Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., has called for reinstating the draft as a way to end the Iraq war.

Bush picked Lute in mid-May as a deputy national security adviser with responsibility for ensuring efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan are coordinated with policymakers in Washington. Lute, an active-duty general, was chosen after several retired generals turned down the job.

If democrats and Bush's own guy want it, then I'm all for it. Maybe Romney's kids will get to serve.

The funny thing is that's exactly why that Democrat wanted it- he figured once people other than poor kids could end up going to Iraq, we'd end the war right then.

If democrats and Bush's own guy want it, then I'm all for it. Maybe Romney's kids will get to serve.

The funny thing is that's exactly why that Democrat wanted it- he figured once people other than poor kids could end up going to Iraq, we'd end the war right then.

I have mixed emotions about it. As a former officer, I'd rather command volunteers than conscripts.

But then going to war is something that is very serious. If the general public doesn't think its important enough to risk its kids being drafted, then maybe we shouldn't do it.

But then the cynic in me says that even if we have a draft, the rich and powerful of either party will find a way to keep their kids out of it, so wars will still be fought largely by the poor who don't have their Congressmen and Senators on speed dial.

So I don't know what the hell to think.

There won't be a draft - the recruiters are meeting their goals.

if they meet the recruting goals why all tours are 12 month even longer for some units?
I say bring the draft back so every ones kids may and up in Irak, maybe then they would think twice before send out some one else kid to die...first gulf war people line up to go to war, same did happen after 9/11 when the time comes and your fight is just; it dont matter people will go what ever the coast. and rest of the world will be behind you with out any reserve, but when you can justfied your action, no boddy will line up to die,I say take those over 150.000 soul from Irak send them to Afganistan which we should be in first place where we have just couse...Give them the opportunities to fight that they will be proud...instead questioning what are we doing here?? you know fifty percent of our sons and doughters have no anwser for such a question, isnt time to go after Osama, instead of trying to figure out how the Iraqies could live together?ya we hung the Saddam, big deal,we was bombing the shit out of him every time he puts his neck out, and by the way back then all those sunnies,shietes and the kurds wasnt killing each other and those shiites over there could not get a Islamic state what so ever but now we created the conditions it could happen think about another Islamic state next to Iran himmmmmmmm this could be bad I guess, I think middle east was a bad place to live but now it is a big mess, no body knows how will it end, and Osama still lerking around Afganistan could some body tell me why the hell we dont have 200.000 of our guys looking for him and we still let him running his Jihad? all over the world, by the way there was no alqaida in Irak before we went there now it is a training ground for them ya we hung the dammed Saddam.!!!!!!!!

if they meet the recruting goals why all tours are 12 month even longer for some units?
I say bring the draft back so every ones kids may and up in Irak, maybe then they would think twice before send out some one else kid to die...first gulf war people line up to go to war, same did happen after 9/11 when the time comes and your fight is just; it dont matter people will go what ever the coast. and rest of the world will be behind you with out any reserve, but when you can justfied your action, no boddy will line up to die,I say take those over 150.000 soul from Irak send them to Afganistan which we should be in first place where we have just couse...Give them the opportunities to fight that they will be proud...instead questioning what are we doing here?? you know fifty percent of our sons and doughters have no anwser for such a question, isnt time to go after Osama, instead of trying to figure out how the Iraqies could live together?ya we hung the Saddam, big deal,we was bombing the shit out of him every time he puts his neck out, and by the way back then all those sunnies,shietes and the kurds wasnt killing each other and those shiites over there could not get a Islamic state what so ever but now we created the conditions it could happen think about another Islamic state next to Iran himmmmmmmm this could be bad I guess, I think middle east was a bad place to live but now it is a big mess, no body knows how will it end, and Osama still lerking around Afganistan could some body tell me why the hell we dont have 200.000 of our guys looking for him and we still let him running his Jihad? all over the world, by the way there was no alqaida in Irak before we went there now it is a training ground for them ya we hung the dammed Saddam.!!!!!!!!

Current recruiting goals are being met by all branches of the service with noted exceptions of the Army and Air National Guard,who are sitting around 87%-96% of recruiting goals.Historically,this hasn't been uncommon for Guard units.Really couldn't tell you why,but,all other branches are either meeting or exceeding goals.As to why we've got troops doing multiple long tours,because someone pulled their head out of their ass and realized that in order to contain sectarian violence we're gonna need more than friggin shock & awe' to pull it off. Unfortunatly the troop surge is about 4 1/2 years to late.
I'm not going to debate the merits of this fiasco or why we're still there and how we will define victory.

Current recruiting goals are being met by all branches of the service with noted exceptions of the Army and Air National Guard,who are sitting around 87%-96% of recruiting goals.Historically,this hasn't been uncommon for Guard units.Really couldn't tell you why,but,all other branches are either meeting or exceeding goals.As to why we've got troops doing multiple long tours,because someone pulled their head out of their ass and realized that in order to contain sectarian violence we're gonna need more than friggin shock & awe' to pull it off. Unfortunatly the troop surge is about 4 1/2 years to late.
I'm not going to debate the merits of this fiasco or why we're still there and how we will define victory.
I have an idea how
How about find a general in either current Iraqi army or one was in the Baath regime and have him take over the country and let him run the Iraq as Saddam was runnig it, that will be the end of all this sectarian violance,there was no Sectarian violance in that country for over sixty years.
Some of you may say no this is too extreme which it maybe.
but you could not impose a democracy on people which still live under feodally rulled by local seikhs or local goons for hundreds of years. It took hundreds of years for eurepian to observe and accept democracy it did not happen over nite, just couse some body said so, if you know what I mean.
Look you can have all the free election in that country still dont mean nothing becouse they will vote whatever some seikh or some mollah told them to vote, if you think other wise; then I must ask why still those shiite leaders hold such a strong position, you know they have no interest what so ever in Democracy. You know before we invated Iraq there was no al qaida in that country, now is a breeding ground for terrorist.So could some one explain to me what have we accomplish, you know some one did say mission accomlished.!
I say hell with it live it to some dictator to run the dammed country, when ever they are ready for really Democracy they will do something about it, only when the time is right, not when we say so.
YOU CAN NOT HAVE A DEMOCRACY OVER NIGHT
there is many countries working on it for hundreds of years to accomplish that
you know things like separeting religion and goverment affairs, not putting them in power or high education for all citizens not for few I mean really education not one you get a degree from madrassah, make in countries produce more and more from manufactories, not from fields around few rivers
having a equal rights for women etc etc

Kaan
Dude are you drunk?

If democrats and Bush's own guy want it, then I'm all for it. Maybe Romney's kids will get to serve.

The funny thing is that's exactly why that Democrat wanted it- he figured once people other than poor kids could end up going to Iraq, we'd end the war right then.


The Democrats want it so they can say that Bush and the Republicans screwed up the country so bad that we need to reinstate the draft.


Has Charles Rangel ever come up with any good ideas or decent bills in congress?

Here is Chuck insulting the guys who volunteered to serve our country.
http://hotair.com/archives/2006/11/26/video-rangel-says-men-join-the-army-only-if-they-cant-have-a-decent-career/

Kaan
Dude are you drunk?

I kinda wondered that,too, Gunny.:absolut::absolut::absolut:

Gunny what makes you think I was drunk?
for me to say we screw up big time in Iraq?
Just so you know even the most of republican see that, and say it was a mistake? You may want to listen Gen. Colin Powell again

No brother,..I was having a hard time reading your post. It reminded me of reading an e-mail I sent one time after a few too many beverages. I wasn't picking at you. I don't realy reply to political posts,..I'm a 19 year vet in the Marine Corps, I go where I am told and when I am told. I have to keep my opinions to my self for one more year until I retire. I do know that the public only sees the bad and never the good due to our assed up media. I think you should talk with some Marines that have been there and then form your own opinion (If you haven't already). This war on terror will never end no matter how much we throw at it, however if we don't do something and ignore the fact that these animals want us dead........we will all be taking a dirt nap.
Remember I was just busting your balls with the drunk comment.
And I think we could have handled some things a little better in Iraq.

Thank you Gunny perhaps, I miss understood your your comment
I do agree with you most of it.My heart goes with all young souls are out in Iraq and Afganistan, never ever cross in my mind the Questioned ther service to this Country. My critisizm goest to one who sent them wrong place for wrong reason. If we were to send more and more troops to Afganistan instead, I would not be yepping what so ever Couse I know we have bussiness there, we need to deal with it?
and I thank you for serving your Country in a such a hard times.:toast::toast:

No prob,..thank you