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    Default Comment for summer closure of greater amberjack re-opened

    do it!


    Public Comment Period Reopened for a Proposed Rule to Establish a Recreational Fixed
    Closed Season for Greater Amberjack in the Gulf of Mexico

    NOAA Fisheries Service is reopening the public comment period for a proposed rule to create a seasonal closure to recreational fishing for greater amberjack in the Gulf of Mexico. This proposed closure, during June and July of each year, is expected to allow the recreational season to be open for the other ten months of the year, without exceeding the recreational quota. NOAA Fisheries Service originally requested comments on the subject proposed rule from January 24 through February 23, 2011. However, based on several comments received, the intent of the proposed action was not completely understood by the public. It appears many commenters interpreted the proposed closure as a way to reduce harvest. The intent of the proposed rulemaking is not to reduce harvest, but to avoid exceeding the quota in-season. At the request of the for-hire industry, the comment period is being reopened for 15 days to allow interested constituents additional time to comment on this proposal.

    Background: The recreational sector has demonstrated the ability to catch its quota well before the end of the fishing year. In 2009, the recreational sector met its greater amberjack quota in August. Even with the extensive fishery closures during 2010 because of the Deepwater Horizon MC252 oil spill, preliminary recreational landings data for 2010 indicate the quota was met. NOAA Fisheries Service has projected that the 2011 quota could be met by August.

    The Gulf of Mexico Fishery Management Council (Council) recognized that lengthy and early in-season closures could cause economic and social disruption to for-hire businesses, private anglers, and shoreside support facilities, such as marinas, bait shops, hotels, and restaurants.

    The Council considered several closure options, including spring and fall closures, but determined the closed periods were too long, and would create an economic burden to the recreational sector. Thus, they selected a shorter closure period during the peak of fishing effort. During the Council’s deliberations, many for-hire operators indicated a June-July closure was a better option, allowing them to market greater amberjack as a trophy fish during the months the preferred target of red snapper was unavailable.

    Dates: Comments must be received no later than 5 p.m., eastern time, on March 25, 2011.

    Addresses: You may submit comments, identified by
    “0648-BA48”, by any one of the following methods:
    • Electronic Submissions: Submit all electronic public comments via the Federal e-Rulemaking Portal Regulations.gov. See instructions below.
    • Mail: Steve Branstetter, Southeast Regional Office, NOAA Fisheries Service, 263 13th Avenue South, St. Petersburg, Florida 33701.

    Instructions for electronic submissions: All comments received are a part of the public record and will generally be posted to Regulations.gov without change. All Personal Identifying Information (for example, name, address, etc.) voluntarily submitted by the commenter may be publicly accessible. Do not submit Confidential Business Information or otherwise sensitive or protected information.

    To submit comments through the Federal e-Rulemaking Portal: Regulations.gov, enter “NOAANMFS- 2010-0281” in the keyword search, then check the box labeled “Select to find documents accepting comments or submissions,” then select “Send a Comment or Submission.” NOAA Fisheries Service will accept anonymous comments (enter N/A in the required fields, if you wish to remain anonymous). Attachments to electronic comments will be accepted in Microsoft Word, Excel, WordPerfect, or Adobe PDF file formats only.

    Comments received by March 25, 2011, will be considered by NOAA Fisheries Service in its decision to approve, disapprove, or partially approve the proposed action. Comments received after that date will not be considered by NOAA Fisheries Service in this decision. All comments received by NOAA Fisheries Service will be addressed in the final rule.

    Copies of the regulatory amendment, which includes an environmental assessment, an initial regulatory flexibility analysis, and a regulatory impact review, may be obtained from the Gulf of Mexico Fishery Management Council, 2203 North Lois Avenue, Suite 100, Tampa, Florida 33607; telephone 813-348-1630; fax 813-348-1711; e-mail gulfcouncil@gulfcouncil.org; or may be downloaded from the Council’s Web site at Gulf of Mexico Fishery Management Council.

    For Further Information Contact: Steve Branstetter, 727-824-5305; fax: 727-824-5308.

    This bulletin provides only a summary of the information regarding the proposed rule. Any discrepancies between this bulletin and the proposed rule published in the Federal Register will be resolved in favor of the Federal Register.

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    So.........is NMFS looking to close AJ for 2 months at another time of the year or eliminate the closure all together? Are they looking to close AJ for 3 or 4 months in non-peak instead of 2 months in peak? When a fish is on a one fish limit...........closures are not necessary IMHO.
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    Why is it that the for hire sector gets special privileges?

    If my career choice changes and i start losing the ability to make money, Is the government going to bail me out or force citizens to hire me.
    Sector Separation is a Government bailout buy out for few CFH capt while the majority The recs get screwed.

    Please post proof that amberjack are over fished or undergoing overfishing. And how the data was collected that has led to this.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Grauwer View Post
    Why is it that the for hire sector gets special privileges? If my career choice changes and i start losing the ability to make money, Is the government going to bail me out or force citizens to hire me.
    Sector Seperation is a Goverment bailout buy out for few CFH capt while the majority The recs get screwed.Please post proof that amberjack are overfished or undergoing overfishing. And how the data was collected that has led to this.Chris
    Chris, they currently don't have to prove anything because no one is holding them accountable for their actions. Hopefully now that the powers to be in Washington have recently had their eyes opened to the farce the NMFS has been perpetrating for the past 25 years, they will now start holding the NMFS accountable for their actions. If not..............
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    "Land of Giants" - Aj's are thick as mosquito's out there. Leave the recreational guys alone that take an Amberjack on one Sunday every other month. Jesus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt888 View Post
    "Land of Giants" - Aj's are thick as mosquito's out there. Leave the recreational guys alone that take an Amberjack on one Sunday every other month. Jesus.

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    This is such a load of crap. I'm sorry, but I try to get out more than anyone. And I've taken 2 AJs this year in 2011. This and last winter have been cold and windy. I find the data to be entirely manipulated, it has to be.

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    More like completely made up then manipulated.

    In order for them to have make a decision on the health of a stock they need foundational data to show stock improvements or declines. They don't have have any legitimate foundational data and never have on any of the offshore species.

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    Just read through the first 50 comments pages 1-5 posted for the proposed AJ closure. I did not read all the html file types, some took too long to open, but this is how it reads. Not one person that identified themselves as for-hire captains agree with the june-july closure. Only 2 comments that I saw agreed with the closure for AJ except that one did not agree with june -july. Many of the comments specifically oppose june-july closure, but all comments I read were unanimously opposed to the proposed rule.

    It's possible I didn't read far enough. But where are all the many for-hire operators comments that during Council deliberations indicated a June-July closure was a better option? Or a closure at all?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GandyGirl View Post
    do it!


    The Gulf of Mexico Fishery Management Council (Council) recognized that lengthy and early in-season closures could cause economic and social disruption to for-hire businesses, private anglers, and shoreside support facilities, such as marinas, bait shops, hotels, and restaurants.

    The Council considered several closure options, including spring and fall closures, but determined the closed periods were too long, and would create an economic burden to the recreational sector. Thus, they selected a shorter closure period during the peak of fishing effort. During the Council’s deliberations, many for-hire operators indicated a June-July closure was a better option, allowing them to market greater amberjack as a trophy fish during the months the preferred target of red snapper was unavailable.

    Dates: Comments must be received no later than 5 p.m., eastern time, on March 25, 2011.
    So they rallied the troops.
    Let's follow up here with an update. There are now 129 public comments on the proposed AJ closure. 10 of the 51 "new" submissions are for the proposed rule, with some that indentify themselves as for-hire operators. So now those in favor of the proposed closure is about 11 or 12 and 117 that do not favor the june-july closure or any closure at all.
    What will the council do now?.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GandyGirl View Post
    do it!


    Public Comment Period Reopened for a Proposed Rule to Establish a Recreational Fixed
    Closed Season for Greater Amberjack in the Gulf of Mexico

    The intent of the proposed rulemaking is not to reduce harvest, but to avoid exceeding the quota in-season. .
    Same thing. More political BS with this crap they write and try to feed to us. Reduce = avoid exceeding.... Da The GOMFC must think only marine biologists took English 101 in college. (Sorry for the rant, just tired of the same type of double talk tossed out to the public, again and again and again)
    I hope Sen. Bill Nelson shoves this crap right back down their throat (like he started a couple weeks ago in Washington)..
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    NMFS should try this one on for size , I believe there is a shortage of correct data in the nmfs !! Therefore there should be a closure of the nmfs until further correct data is collected. What say all you rec. fisherman and women. I believe the divers info is the correct info.They can actualy see whats what in the underwater world.Again I cant buy venicen in the store wouldnt break my heart if I couldnt buy fish in the store or restraunt. These peopole are closing down more then just a time to fish a curtain fish they are closing down busineses. WOW exspecialy in todays economy WOW ...... just a thought ..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stranglehold View Post
    NMFS should try this one on for size , I believe there is a shortage of correct data in the nmfs !! Therefore there should be a closure of the nmfs until further correct data is collected.
    i like that!

    the average citizen can't go into a national forest and harvest the wood they need for projects so why do we think we are allowed to go to the federal waters and harvest our dinner. go to walmart and buy tilapia. buy tilapia and like it!

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    Time for your medicine kids!
    Last day to post comments on the closure, there are now 134 comments total, 5 new ones today. 4 out of 5 oppose the closure, 3 of which are for-hire captains. One of the 4 opposing comments states that it's a waste of time to make public comment at meetings or other methods since the councils have already made up their mind beforehand. Having been there done that and seen that, I concur. Some relevant evidence could possibly be found in the attached file from FWC and their draft rules with regard to compliance with NMFS "proposed rules" for gag and AJ. I believe gag is a done deal. I did not read maybe 25 of the 134 comments. Even if all 25 were for the rule the opposition for the AJ closure is overwhelming still. For AJ closure about 13 against 121.

    What will the council do now?
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    So, if I sell my boat and pay somebody else to take me fishing I can take a snapper or a grouper or an amberjack.
    But I can't take that same fish from my own boat?

    But the guy who own's THAT boat can't take a fish home, He has to take the money I pay to fish on his boat and buy a fish to eat, perhaps an illegally harvested fish imported from japan or China and sold in a Walmart store?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capt.Gene View Post
    But I can't take that same fish from my own boat?

    But the guy who own's THAT boat can't take a fish home, He has to take the money I pay to fish on his boat and buy a fish to eat,
    Nothing in the proposed federal rules prohibits private rec anglers from fishing with their own boats and keeping their catch except during any closures. The only people on the planet, under federal law, that cannot legally possess a grouper, RS or AJ, closure or not, are for hire-captains and crew.
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    i always thought prohibiting the captain and crew from taking home the fish they caught was neither legal nor fair. here is an example of why.

    a few years ago i had some gentlemen from china charter my boat. i took them to the middle grounds and we shot many fish. under the law at that time i was not allowed to keep grouper or red snapper. u.s. citizens and foreign visitors can go out on my charter boat and harvest a limit of fish but because of my job i can not take a grouper or red snapper home.

    i still have not heard of a charter captain being arrested for keeping his legal limit of fish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by #two View Post
    Time for your medicine kids!
    Last day to post comments on the closure, there are now 134 comments total, 5 new ones today. 4 out of 5 oppose the closure, 3 of which are for-hire captains. One of the 4 opposing comments states that it's a waste of time to make public comment at meetings or other methods since the councils have already made up their mind beforehand. Having been there done that and seen that, I concur. Some relevant evidence could possibly be found in the attached file from FWC and their draft rules with regard to compliance with NMFS "proposed rules" for gag and AJ. I believe gag is a done deal. I did not read maybe 25 of the 134 comments. Even if all 25 were for the rule the opposition for the AJ closure is overwhelming still. For AJ closure about 13 against 121.

    What will the council do now?
    I don't think the Council can/will do anything at this point. The Council made the recommendation for the June-July in season closure in October after the normal public testimony and submitted their management suggestion to NOAA Fisheries for approval and implementation. At this point NOAA Fisheries is at the helm because the recommendation has already been through the Council process. I don't know what NOAA Fisheries will do..

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    Quote Originally Posted by GandyGirl View Post
    I don't know what NOAA Fisheries will do..
    Well given their track record, CLOSED.

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    The opposition to the shorter closure is coming 100% from the SOS charter guys in the Panhandle. I got an inter-group email from them claiming to thier people that the pending rule was being put forth by greedy SPEARFISHERMEN who wanted the closure at that time because the water was warmer for them to be diving.
    They decided to come out against it and somehow got it re-opened and now their group is flooding the GMFMC with thier own emails supporting thier own agenda.
    There is a lot of bad things coming out of the Sector Separation-SOS supporters who claim to represent the charter industry but in reality do not represent the majority opinion of our the charter industry. They continually slam recreational anglers, they bashed those who attended or supported the NMFS rally, and now have come out strongly against spearfishermen.
    Fortunately the GMFMC now knows that they are not supported by the industry and I believe thier plan to take half the rec red snapper catch of the Gulf and hand it to themselves is doomed. In the meantime they continue to alienate just about everyone else that fishes, or dives, in the Gulf of Mexico.
    Local supporters include the Daisy Mae and Gypsy charterboats in Clearwater Marina.
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